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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have  a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities 
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities 
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?[/quote]

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

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I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain).  In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist.  That's absurd.  That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience.  If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position.  You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician.  As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind.  My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year.  I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits.  [b] This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth[/b] - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap.  I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues.  Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days.  The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.  [/quote]

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning  foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that [/quote]

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science.  You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US.  They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs.  Biotech is blowing up in China.  But keep sticking your head in the sand.  China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050.  Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.[/quote]

If you love Asia so much, why don't you go back? China is benefiting from the work and educational systems of the US and Western world. They are incapable of innovating. The US certainly needs to stop hiring based on identity, but China will be a problem because it is a cheater (to the tune of $600 billion in stolen IP every year) - which game theory tells us, wins in these situations - not because it has anything of substance to offer the world.  Japan, however, IS an innovative country (and culture), hopefully they become the superpower in the East.[/quote]

You don't know crap. Because westerners are the only people on Earth capable of innovating.  China, without question, is now the world leader in quantum telecommunications and is now eclipsing the US and the rest of the west in  the artificial intelligence race.  China invests in research and development, and hires the best people.  No one gets extra points for identity crap.  Go read up on how labs are funded in China.  The use objective measures to evaluate candidates for funding research.   The west is increasingly becoming a has been, and the focus on identity politics will only hasten the downfall because all it does is create tribalism and promotions based on who you sleep with, what you have between your legs, and your race.  Whether your western ethnocentric ass likes it or not, this is the reality of what's coming:

[img]https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-us-vs-china-economy/assets/2016-us-vs-china-economy-facebook.png[/img]

People with talent will move east for work, because they'll get jobs for their skills and not for identity's sake. [/quote]

make the same graph per capita and it looks far different. Who cares though- do you think people in western Europe care that their empires are gone and wish they could go back to bankrupting themselves to maintain dominance or do you think they are enjoying a high quality of life  because their countries prioritize their citizens [/quote]

OT, but quite a bit of their "high quality of life" is subsidized by this country, since we pay for their health care innovation, energy stability and defense.  And in lots of measures, life there is lower quality than in the US.  But they rock at public transportation.[/quote]

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