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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s it at all surprising that so many of you will go out of your way to defend nonviolent civil disobedience unless it doesn’t meet your purpose. 
You people are hypocrites. [/quote]

Those morons just infected each other and will pass it on to MeeMa in their rural towns. They literally just spread the virus all over the state because they don't know how to practice self-discipline.

If they act like spoiled children, they should get the belt.

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[b]If Donald Trump instituted a nationwide ban on public assembly and protests until there were ZERO coronavirus deaths would you be okay with that? What if he bans voting this November because coronavirus will still be around?
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Tyranny is always brought on and accepted by myopic dolts like you because of national emergencies. It’s the same reason Muslims were stripped naked, tortured and treated like dogs in Abu Ghraib after 9/11. Shame on people like you for criticizing people for exercising their First Amendment freedoms. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights don’t have stipulations that they should be suspended for a virus with a .5% to 2% mortality rate.

Imagine what kind of dystopian police state you all would accept for a virus with a 25% mortality rate. Events like these really make you realize how fragile our democracy and freedoms actually are.[/quote]

Trump has no Constitutional authority or ability to do either of the things you suggest. #StrawmanArgument

Yes, people can sit home for a couple weeks. The federal government needs to pay them to stay home, lest they infect their communities. 2% mortality is nearly 7 million of your fellow Americans needlessly dying.

How did you end up so damaged to view life so cheaply?[/quote]

Right now in states across the country religious services are banned and liquor stores are open. They are banned regardless of what safety precautions people take. For example there is no stipulation that I’ve seen that people can hold services even if congregants are spaced 10 feet apart, wearing masks, and the service is held outside.

How is it even legal for governors to violate people’s rights to practice religion and to publicly assemble? How is it legal to ban people’s rights to protest? If Donald Trump ordered Border Patrol agents to shoot anyone crossing the border illegally and people - rightly - protested in front of the White House, would you be fine with him making the protest illegal because of coronavirus, even 10 months from now when it’s still around and we don’t have a vaccine?

Just think how dangerous these precedents are and how willing your fellow citizens are willing to curtail their Constitutional rights because of a virus with a .5% to 2% mortality rate. Now just imagine what kind of tyrannical dictatorship people would be willing to accept if we had a far deadlier virus or suffered a nuclear attack. It’s frightening to think about how so many Americans would just throw all their freedoms away in a more severe crisis. This same kind of blind obedience to power in a time of crisis is why FDR was able to throw Japanese people in internment camps. [/quote]

The state Constitutions literally give the Governors the power to do these things in statewide and/or national emergencies. Some states give more power than others to the Governor.

There is literally a legal framework for temporary restriction of certain rights. These have been upheld time after time by the Supreme Court. They are not arbitrary and capricious, they often include time limits.

The fact of the matter is that congregating in large groups spreads the virus and therefore harms national security by prolonging the crisis. All these people will EXTEND the crisis by congregating. It's that simple. Your right to congregate in the short term does not trump our collective right to begin working as soon as possible.

Given that your latest post is a collection of strawman argument and ad hominems, I'm sure what else there is to say. Please remain inside, please limit your activity until the crisis subsides and we have better tools to manage it. If you insist on congregating, please do NOT use public health services and weather the sickness at home by yourself.

If you don't want to be a member of society, then don't rely on society's assets to keep you alive. [/quote]

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