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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a country of OLD PEOPLE.  Maybe it's time to die: peacefully, at home.

Who really wants their last gasp to be on a respirator in a hospital bed anyway?

You have to die eventually.  Do it surrounded by family.[/quote]

It's not just old people who are dying.  But let them eat cake, right Trumpsters?[/quote]

Most of the younger people who have died from this had other underlying conditions. And even at this it is still mostly old people dying on that manner. Average age reports of over 80. Very very few healthy young people with no other underlying conditions have died from this. [/quote]
You know people with underlying conditions can hear you, right?[/quote]

Sure, the point is not to diminish the deaths. It is that the scare factor is greatly exaggerated. If we didn’t have every tom, dick and harry with a minor cough running to hospitals thinking they’re going to die, they might be better positioned to serve the elderly and those with underlying conditions who are actually at threat from this virus.[/quote]

"Everyone dies alone"

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-everyone-dies-alone-heartbreak-at-the-italian-hospital-on-the-brink-of-collapse-11961130[/quote]

If that video doesn't scare you, PP above, then you are not human.[/quote]

The excess mortality rate for many of the “hardest hit” countries in Europe show negligible if any uptick in deaths vis a vis similar periods in previous years. We just didn’t have video and imagery blasts from hospitals during those periods. This is a sad situation, for sure. But it’s maddening that the hype has made it much much worse than it needed to be and contributed to overwhelming some hospital systems.[/quote]

Can you provide data to back it up? Since this is a new disease, those are all new deaths. You need to carry a form to go out buy groceries in Italy. Without this type of lockdown, the number of deaths could be even higher. The death rate for Covid-19 is 1.3% for USA and 8.5% for Italy. The flu has a death rate of 0.1%.[/quote]

New disease does not necessarily mean new death (i.e. death that would not have happened but for corona) because there are confounders. In one Italian study 99% of deaths were patients that had one or more comorbidities.

The rates you cite are far too high. Remember, only the symptomatic and worst cases are even being tested right now due to short supply of tests. There are plenty of people walking around with CV who have not been tested for it and probably never will be. Positive tests are over represented currently, and probably rightly so.

These are released weekly. Nothing is airtight with ANY data set coming out right now, because of the mania, but this does give some pause.

https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html[/quote]

The death rate is from the official numbers released. We have enough sample size -- 20,000 for US and 48,000 for Italy -- that the death rate calculated has a high confidence of being accurate. If we have more testing, we will also have more deaths that were attributed to 'flu' or 'pneumonia'. There is no dispute Covid-19 is more contagious and deadly than regular flu. The key failure for the US government is the leadership believed this is just another glorified flu and wasted two months to not act.[/quote]

Yes and the “official” numbers released all have massive problems and biases. Don’t appeal to authority. You are acting like these are data sets from journals in peer reviewed articles lol, please. Everything is a rush job right now.

The actual fatality of COVID 19 vis a vis common flu actually IS under dispute. More commentators and analyses are coming out crunching numbers and questioning the mainstream narrative.[/quote]
This is real life.  We make decisions on the fly with messy data.  Just like war.  In real life, we are generals, not historians.  We don't have the luxury of waiting for better information.

ALL of the evidence is that this is more deadly than the flu.  All of it.  Even accounting for the uncertainties (there are methods for dealing with that).  But even with years of well-established data, many people still don't get a flu shot.  Why should this be different?[/quote]

You can say it as many times as you like, that does not make it true. And even if so, the question remains whether it will be worth this MASSIVE overreaction. I wager the answer is no. And it will become increasingly clear as time passes. The need to take ANY kind of action is not the same as the need to take THIS action. We have let fear win.[/quote]
Swear to god, some people just like being contrary.[/quote]

It’s not a matter of being contrary. It’s a matter of calibrating the response to the scale of the threat. I fear we have badly missed it here and will be paying for it for a while. [b]No one is saying this isn’t serious.[/quote]
That's exactly what you are saying, without actually saying it.
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Up your reading comprehension. There are levels to serious. A broken bone might be serious, but you don’t cut your leg off because of it! Also, part of the “seriousness” of this is because of the hysteria, rather than the potency of the disease itself. Genie is out of the bottle.[/quote]
My reading comprehension is very good.  You aren't taking coronavirus seriously.  End of story.[/quote]

I’ve read and heard stories of many, many small business owners who were doing well and lost everything in a matter of weeks. I take those seriously too. Get off of your [b]high horse[/b] 🙄.[/quote]
Project much?[/quote]

Lol. Ok you have a good point there. Sorry, writing quickly. The point still stands that poster thinks they “care” more. Give me a break. Many dimensions to this outbreak.[/quote]
I'm that poster and I said no such thing.  I said you don't take coronavirus itself seriously.  Obviously you are very concerned about the reactions we are having to the virus.

Your own reading comprehension is very poor.  Another case of projection.[/quote]

You said it, without actually saying it. ;)[/quote]
No, I did not.  There are multiple posters in this thread and others may have suggested it. but not me.  But it remains clear that you don't take coronavirus itself seriously.  You've been going on page after page with that message.  Except when someone calls you on it.  Then you find ways not to admit what you really think.[/quote]

You’re a lost cause. Bye Felicia.[/quote]
Right, so end on an insult, which just proves you really have nothing.[/quote]

I can only explain calibrating responses to the seriousness of a threat so many times before it becomes obvious that you are simply invested in not getting the point. Enjoy your black and white world![/quote]
Well if you had explained that clearly, I might have agreed with you.  As it is, my posts focused on statistical analysis, not on response calibration. But you ignored all the statistics, waved your arms and threw around non-sequiturs and insults.  It might have helped had you actually addressed the points I raised instead.

I do see that apparently you don't even really mean "bye Felicia," since you apparently started another thread about calibrating the response.  You are meeting resistance there, but not from me.[/quote]

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