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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OK - I put my hand up - I only understand half of what you say.  And even then your logic is weird to me.

Isn't the question based on morals?  And you don't need to be a skeptic or subjectivist to have decent morals ... i.e. do unto others, etc.

Which brings me to the reason I am a non-believer.  Because I don't need a religion to teach me how to behave.  [b]I have an innate sense of it.[/b]  [b]Much like an ant knows how to fit into that complex march[/b].[/quote]

So morality as instinct?  Objective truth about right and wrong is "independent of the knower and his consciousness" and "is what is" because it is just there, instinctual.

But this does not fit our experience of right and wrong.  No instinct in itself is always right.  But morality is always right.  Therefore, morality is not just an instinct.

Think of our instincts as notes.  Morality tells us when to play them, and how.  Morality is a law which tells our instincts what they SHOULD do in different situations.  Instincts "are," while morality is what "should be."

An instinctualist says "This is my innate sense," then "Therefore, this is what ought to be done."  That syllogism needs one more step to be true:  "All innate senses should be followed."  But that second step is obviously false.
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Not the pp... but morality is always right? While there may be some common trends, morals vary from society to society and change over time and I can think of some times when a society's perception on what was morally acceptable would be considered wrong by today's standards and my own.

I mentioned this before but many common trends in morals have an evolutionary purpose. Some people jump to "they're the same therefore it's god!!!" but I think that's flawed considering that gods aren't even proven to exist.[/quote]

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