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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why are people so convinced that healthcare drives health outcomes?  Variety of factors go into health outcomes—especially factors generally outside of the healthcare system like diet, exercise and stress levels.

Has anybody actually shown that access to healthcare will cause health outcomes to improve. The worst possible case would be Euro costs/access and American outcomes. [/quote]

But the default cannot be that universal coverage will automatically lead to bad outcomes. I have no quibble with raising other concerns at play, but what I see -- over and over -- is that those with this viewpoint either don't know the outcomes data, or they are deliberately misstating it.

Fine. Say, "yes, the survival rate for X is better in these other countries, but …" Don't say "they leave preemies to die" or "you can't get bypass surgery over 80." Make an actual, real case for your argument, dammit.[/quote]

The problem with outcomes data is that it pertains to the population as a whole not to outcomes for you or your children or those who are close to you.

I have an older child with two illnesses that are significant but usually not life threatening that took four years to diagnose through a huge amount of persistence on my part.  My alternative to this was to resign myself to having a child who would be a permanent charge unable to go to school or work.

The illnesses are not common but do not qualify as rare.  There are objective tests for these illnesses; they are not borderline clinically diagnosed illnesses like chronic Lyme or fibromyalgia. (Had to add that.)

I am on boards for these illnesses and Canadians have a very challenging time getting medical care for them as do those dependent on the NHS.

In population outcomes data the fact that my child would have very low quality of life would not matter at all.  But, guess what?  My child and their quality of life matters to me.   [/quote]

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