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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wow, there really are such different ways of approaching risk. I like understanding the actual risks of doing something even if it's not something I really value doing - for example, i used to buy bagged romaine and salad greens every single week, and lunchmeat never, it's just not a part of my regular diet or a big treat for me. As a pregnant woman it's pretty important for me to know that listeria finds on lettuce and greens have been both widespread and recent, so I've changed my weekly shopping and eating habits for a few months, while incidence from lunchmeat is really rare these days, so I was at a work event last week where deli sandwiches were the only lunch option and I ate a half. That was a week ago, so far no listeria.

Yes, i could have skipped it and gotten food later, I choose other options whenever I have them and i dont have a lunchmeat addiction problem, but I honestly do think it's a risk evaluation question, not a straight up black and white moral virtue problem. I also think people who have a risk evaluation approach to alcohol here are being treated as though they're moral failures and purity is not the appropriate lens here. [/quote]

I don’t think they’re moral failures. [b]But I have seen FAS first hand, resulting from a woman who didn’t drink that much during her pregnancy.[/b] I am all for women making their own choices with their lives and bodies, but SOMETIMES it’s reasonable to expect women to put their babies first. It’s only 9 months. [/quote]

Please elaborate. I would guess that you just don't know how much this woman drank. [/quote]

Every week or so. Same amount as you are describing as you drink in pregnancy. The FAS symptoms in her child are classic. Smooth upper lip, eye spacing, etc. The child also suffered from severe social impairment and epileptic seizures. The woman sued her doctor for telling her that the amount she was drinking during pregnancy was unharmful and under control. Not sure what the results of that case were, but the effects of their decisions were clear and heartbreaking. [/quote]

A single glass of wine once a week? How do you know this is how much she was drinking? I honestly don't believe she was only drinking a glass a week to have not only FASD but severe FASD like this.

Alcoholics are both excellent at hiding their illness and extremely reluctant to take responsibility for the consequences. [/quote]

Your beliefs in this matter are nothing more than unscientific thoughts swirling around in your head, and are  completely irrelevant. It sounds like you may need some alcohol counseling yourself, as you have been extremely reluctant to acknowledge that the scientific community simply does not know what amount of alcohol hurts a fetus.

Please seek professional help for your inability to quit drinking during your pregnancy. There are lots of good resources out there. [/quote]

My beliefs about alcoholics are a lot more than unscientific thoughts swirling around in my head. I grew up with one. My evaluation of risk based on available science and risk of drinking while pregnancy does not ignore the fact that the scientific community cannot settle on a save level. I understand that fine. I also understand there are very few good studies on this. I understand that many women drank prior to the risks were more understood. I understand I've never met a doctor that genuinely thinks a glass a week is dangerous.

I understand and do not contest anything you are saying about existing science. I have simply come to a different conclusion than you have.

I would be laughed out of an office for suggesting I had an alcohol problem to my OB because of my occasional sips of my husbands beer and rare glass of wine. For me personally its more like once every few weeks at a nice dinner or a wedding or something.

You want to think your friend did nothing wrong. I think your friend has a problem. [/quote]

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