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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous[b]]Harvard lists Michigan as a peer institution.[/b] https://faculty.harvard.edu/diversity-peer-institutions

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Who cares what some list says?  I assure you no one considers Michigan to be a peer institute to Harvard. [/quote]

It's not "some list." It's literally what HARVARD SAYS.

But who cares, right? All that matters is what an internet forum thinks -- not what Harvard says are its peer institutions. Of course, if Michigan wasn't on that list, you'd be touting it as evidence that Michigan is nowhere near Harvard's quality. [/quote]

My husband works in higher education, as does my sister (the latter as a professor). I can assure you people in academia absolutely consider Michigan and Berkeley peer institutions to Harvard. UVA is more dependent on discipline. UChicago is also considered a peer institution to any Ivy League school. When Ivy League professors look elsewhere for jobs, Michigan is absolutely on the table. Same for UChicago -- I know a political science professor there who recently went to Michigan.

These divisions you all like to pretend exist among these schools really aren't real. [/quote]

Universities like Michigan and Berkeley are constructed differently to a school like Harvard or Princeton.  They have much larger undergraduate programs, which to a considerable extent support the graduate and research programs, which get a lot of the focus.  At a graduate and research level, Michigan and Berkeley can go toe-to-toe with top notch privates, but they have a lot more undergraduates.  Michigan has about 30K undergraduates, which are 2/3rds of overall enrollment.  Harvard has only 6.7K undergraduates, which are about 30% of overall enrollment.

UVA doesn't rise to the level of Michigan and Berkeley across all graduate fields and in research, but you might argue it is more undergraduate focused than those two schools.  It is certainly smaller.[/quote]

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