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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hey guys so OP here.  Thanks.  Yes we have about 90K each for each of first two kids (180k for avoidance of doubt). 50k for third kid 2 years behind.  So will have three in college for two years.  HHI was like low 200s but last 3/4 years has been 300K.  Another 170k total from two rental properties (net after taxes) we plan to sell.  Could raise around 450K pretty quickly.  Easily pay in state.  Basically, I know for one kid she is IVY or UVA if she doesn't get in ED to an Ivy (barring merit aid).  She will ED Ivy.  Worth it in my view.

Issue is the second one.  He is not strong enough to ED Ivy but real shot at the tier below.  Going to be hard to tell him not to ED a top 20ish school.  He is more than fine going to UVA or William and Mary.  [b]Will ED2 W&M if he doesn't get in to the ED choice (whichever it is--Emory, Wash U, or Tufts). [/b]

Honesty, I think Tufts and Wash U are probably low tier Ivyish.  Jury out on Emory.

Loans are an option right?  Pay 2 years each for each of three kids and loans for the other two.  We can pay them off later for them.  [/quote]

I would place W&M as a better option than these--you get the reputation and the personalized relationship with faculty--unless the appeal is to go out of state.  I wouldn't be SO tied to rankings like this.  Tufts/Wash U is not going to give a measurable "outcome" difference than W&M/UVA--and W&M will have a similar academic style.  Maybe sell your DS on an exchange program, supported internship etc. that could offset not applying ED to a school that costs so much more but doesn't offer measurably more?  Or maybe encourage him to ED to a skyrocket reach (Ivy) and ED2  and EA to the reasonable (W&M/UVA)?    [/quote]

Very good points.  I don't see appreciable differences here between Tufts/WashU/Emory (and I view WashU and Tufts a bit above Emory) and UVA/W&M.  Iyf you are in-state, ou can put the money toward something else that may enhance their experience or opportunities. W&M will be more similar size and feel to those schools.  UVA is a larger option.

There is a category of school that will turn heads/get more attention that UVA/W&M (and more global recognition), but I would say that is more of the Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke etc. category.    I don't really see much distinction here.  [/quote]

OP here.  I get it; but what about other schools.  I would think any Ivy would be better.  Even Dartmouth or Cornell.  Both my older kids want to go to law school, so would law school's care between Ivy Undergrad and UVA/W&M.  As an attorney, that went to a top 50ish undergrad and a top 60ish law school, I would say yes.  I did okay but I tend to think had I gone to a higher ranked undergrad, I would have gotten into a higher ranked law school and therefore more likely to be a partner at a law firm and make more money (as opposed to being in-house and making decent money).  
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Top law schools are looking for high LSATs and high GPAs from a reputable school.  If your kid does well on the SATs, they are probably good on standardized tests and will do well on the LSAT.  This is the case for most Ivy kids.  The Ivy league schools actually have among the highest average GPAs as well, which helps.   So if they can get in, yes, it could be an advantage, but it won't change LSAT and if they could get in your kid could probably do pretty well GPA wise at other schools.

Even the Ivy League has tiers.  I would say it is HYP, then Columbia, Penn, Brown, with Cornell viewed at the bottom (other than engineering).  Dartmouth has become less desirable over the last couple of decades as kids seem to want more urban colleges.  [/quote]

I also think law schools look more at LSAT and GPA than undergrad. I went to W&M undergrad, had 3.9 GPA and LSAT above 170, and got in every where I applied to law school including Harvard, Stanford, etc. I’m not an URM or unique in any other way. Perhaps though if your GPA and LSAT scores aren’t stellar, maybe it is easier to get in to a top law school if you went to an Ivy. I also think schools don’t want to ONLY be taking people from Ivies. That wouldn’t reflect well on their diversity of background. [/quote]

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