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[quote=Anonymous][quote]You clearly underscore your hypocrisy when you cite the 10 commandments and the Old Testament in general, given that you’re brazenly willing to ignore other much more crucial parts of the Old Testament that Jesus didn’t specifically (like shellfish) exempt:
- 6th Commandment banning adultery/divorce (how many in your parish are divorced, and thanks pp for pointing out evangelical support for our adulterous president). Note that you claimed this refers to “fornication” writ large, but I just googled several translations and they talk about adultery and coveting your neighbor’s wife, no mention of homosexuality. That was an oopsie on your part.
- mixing fabrics in Leviticus (you’ve been asked multiple times about this one, but have never responded coherently).
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BBC1  --wow, you sure have inspired me to write a lot.  Never had I thought to go so far with this, but okay.

Fornication?  No "oopsie" on my part.
 
http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/what-jesus-christ-said-about-homosexuality/

Jude 1:7  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

"[i]The Book of Jude ties together homosexuality with the word fornication. The homosexuality of Sodom and Gomorrha was identified as fornication. The Bible warns that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha was an example to those who would practice this same fornication.[/i]"
[i]The Bible defines fornication as any sexual activity outside of marriage.  The definition of fornication includes: heterosexual relations before marriage, homosexual relations at any time, incest, bestiality, prostitution and pornography. All sex outside of marriage is considered fornication by God.[/i]

But oh, that's right, you do not accept the book of Jude because it undermines your case that homosexuality is not a sin and the men of Sodom were just fine, dandy guys just a little bit inhospitable, and God frowned on THAT, not their homosexuality which was okay, despite Leviticus.

Here is what Jesus said about fornication, that it is a sin just like adultery:

Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, [b]fornications[/b], thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man

Continuing from my source (so I do not have to re-invent the wheel saying these things):   http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/what-jesus-christ-said-about-homosexuality/

"[i]Those that practice homosexuality are called the children of disobedience, and they will not inherit the kingdom of God. This is all clear and straight forward. A person does not need a doctorate in theology to understand that homosexuality is a sin that will block a person from the kingdom of God.

If it is so clear and easy to understand, why then is homosexuality being presented as wholesome and loving? The answer lies in that the [b]homosexuals and their advocates have rejected the authority of the Bible[/b]. [/i]"

[b]Mixed Fabrics[/b]: a “ridiculous by association” argument

Here is the gray area you are trying to hide in:  "Old testament laws concerning shellfish and mixed fabrics are not observed anymore, neither is sacrificing animals for sins either; therefore, homosexuality is not a sin anymore because Jesus did not mention it. You are a hypocrite if you say homosexuality is a sin but eating shellfish is not."

Here is more detail on it:   https://carm.org/leviticus-homosexuality-old-testament-law

Lev. 19:18, "You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord."
 
"[i]Are we to dismiss Leviticus along with the idea of being holy, of loving our neighbor, and that God will walk among us in the person of Jesus?  Of course not.  To do so by saying we are not under the Law displays deep theological ignorance and exegetical prejudice. There are certainly aspects of Leviticus which are no longer applicable to us today (civil and ceremonial), but there are other parts that still are, as is stated above in the moral aspect of the Law[/i]"
 
And here:   https://www.theaquilareport.com/the-bible-homosexuality-and-shellfish-by-matthew-everhard/

Says the liberal:  “Yes, the Bible forbids the practice of homosexuality in Leviticus 18:22, but also forbids eating shellfish (Leviticus 11:9-11), and commands the stoning of blasphemers (Leviticus 24:16). Since the latter two are ridiculous, so is the former.”

It is ironic that those arguing such a progressive position would choose these three elements of Levitical law as examples of their “ridiculous by association,” argument.

"[i]The moral law...is the timeless law of God revealed in the Sinai covenant for which mankind is still responsible. These are the inviolable moral laws written indelibly on the consciences of all mankind (Romans 2:15), and the standards by which human kind will be judged. Murder, lying, idolatry, and theft will always be sinful no matter where or when they are committed. As homosexuality is a violation of the creation order in general (Genesis 2:18-24), and the seventh commandment in particular (Exodus 20:14; Deuteronomy 5:18), the fact that this practice transgresses God’s standards of purity is beyond dispute. This is why the New Testament agrees with and reinforces the Old Testament’s prohibitions of this practice (Romans 1:26-27; Colossians 3:5; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10).[/i]"

People who do not want to "be ye holy, as I am holy" will gravitate to liberal denominations so that they can live and believe what they want to based upon what they feel is right, not what God said is right.   Those who want to live by the truth will flee the liberal denominations or any church that does not stand on the scriptures, because the scriptures are the final authority on the matter.   When people abandon God's word as authority and replace it with psychiatrists, scientists, and liberal theologians as authority,  those people will fall into error and fall away from the truth.  We see this happening now with the liberal Episcopal church going fading and falling away right before our eyes. 
 
We are absolutely not going to come to an agreement on this matter so further argument is not really necessary. If you will not accept clear biblical teachings on the matter, ignoring the apostles and everything else, we are as far as east is from west from each other. We are not going to come to any agreement.

What kind of Christian church throws the bible away as an authority?  The bible is the rudder which steers the church.  Without it, the church is like a boat without a rudder and will crash upon the rocks. The enemies of the church know this, hence the strident attempts to discredit and remove it from the church.

I have made my choice, and you have made yours.    You can never convince me that homosexuality is not a sin because the bible says otherwise. The majority of Christians agree with me and likewise stand upon scriptures, scriptures that you want to ignore.

For me, the bible is the absolute final authority on the matter, over that of any other authority on the planet, certainly more than that of liberal-progressives clamoring that I drop my religious beliefs so as to tolerate their sins because they get uncomfy being judged and it kills their buzz.

Likewise, I can never convince you that homosexuality is a sin because you reject the bible, at least the parts you do not agree with that condemn homosexuals.   Your authority are the liberal theologians (even with a PhD they are ignorant!) and all their muddled opinions floundering in multiple fallacies. 
 
I have asked myself why is there such a hard push to discredit the bible, to try and force churches either by shaming them into submission or by installing pro-homosexual priests in the pulpit to sway people to their way of thinking?  And since this does not appear to be working, why are local governments poking their noses into the church to root out so-called “hate”, to force them to desist in teaching that homosexuality is a sin?  Why is this?  My thinking is that the evil people in this country, the totalitarian left, as they consolidate their power in the judiciary and legislative branches, do not want to shed blood because it is messy and costly, so if they can get Christians to drop their beliefs by being afraid of persecution, it won’t be necessary to imprison so many of them which impacts the economy negatively, or kill them openly which would bring negative publicity and make martyrs and would strengthen their remnant into a more determined resistance as it has always done throughout the centuries.     I really am perplexed as to this full-bore assault on the church, why it is happening now.

[i]If they succeed in this attack on a local church, it’s only a matter of time before they try to outlaw even the verbal expression of the truth that a person’s sexual identity can change.[/i]
  https://barbwire.com/2018/02/14/michigan-wants-investigate-church-ministering/

I do not quite see the end-game of all this.  The church has always taught homosexuality is a sin.  All cultures for thousands of years have rightfully frowned upon it for the immoral, undesirable behavior that it is.  Why now is there such a huge push to make it normal?

Perhaps we really are in the End Times.   Excuse me while I go put in that order for half a ton of canned meat and enough beans to last years ---just joking, I am not into that survival stuff.  [/quote]

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