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There's a distinction, we've only discussed one data point. I was asking specifically about interpretations of that graph alone with the concept of averages, deviations, and outliers. Since you have a math/statistics background, you should be able to readily explain it.

I would certainly agree that intelligence alone will not dictate how successful one is in the workplace (though in general higher intelligence does correlate with what we generally consider economic success up to around a score of 130). Again, someone with low intelligence (i.e. 70-85), effectively will be a barrier to entry for many intellectual career fields. I would certainly agree that EQ certainly plays a role in team environments, variables in work ethic, social pressures , etc can all play a role in workplace success.  Intelligence as general problem solving ability or pattern recognition is certainly a very useful thing.  General intelligence distributions are not the same across all demographics though.

As I said before, spatial skills tend to predict who will enter STEM fields, and there seems to be a correlation with respect to spatial skills rather than mathematical ability alone when it comes to success in STEM.  Most of what I have talked about is barriers to entry more so than success in the workplace.[/quote]

Look at the graph. Throw out all data points below 110 and all above 130. Figure out the % for women vs men in that selection. Now compare that to the number of women in STEM. Do you see a difference? Yes. You do, the difference is called unconscious bias... if IQ were a predictor of success (but it is not). [/quote]

Surely you're joking about it not being a predictor for success.  Spend 5 min , if you have journal access, let alone Lexis-Nexis, and you will find more studies than you have time to read on the subject.  Life outcomes at the 3rd plus standard deviation do start to get wierd though when it comes to IQ.

A better predictor is going to be an IQ cutoff for 125 or so for STEM, based solely off average IQ scores for different majors (average IQ for philosophy/economics majors is also quite high I might add).  The further you go up that scale, the more the higher IQ scores skew towards a male biased ratio. For example at IQs of 130-150 the male to female ratio is already 2.5:1, this is well in the realm of the IQ for most STEM students/practitioners at elite institutions.

As I said in another post, in 3rd world countries, women tend to choose STEM fields at higher rates, despite their environments being more patriarchal.  It is only in wealthy countries that when women have the luxury of choosing a major, rather than economic necessity, that they tend to choose other fields of study.  This is quite the oddity isn't that, that in more equal societies, women choose fields that are less "prestigious" or high paying, and thus I would like to hear your thoughts on that in light of "unconscious bias".[/quote]

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