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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We need to teach kids that studying from old exams without express permission from the teacher if the course is cheating. If the teacher hands out old exam copies to study from, that's fine. If one is getting old exam questions from another student or from someone who has "files" of old exam questions, it is cheating.

The above is the definition I and many of the parents I have spoken with grew up with and it is not that difficult to understand. We can't tell our kids that it is up to the teachers to keep them from cheating; our kids need to be developing their own inner compasses to determine right from wrong. Blaming teachers for kids cheating confuses kids and makes cheating an issue that is murkier than it needs to be.

I think part of the problem is that some kids don't realize that asking friends about questions on a test or studying old tests from sources other than their teacher is cheating. I'm not sure why they don't know this at their age, but it needs to be made clear and then backed up by consequences.

It will hurt all the kids at TJ if the school gets a reputation as a place where kids cheat to get high GPAs. 
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Are you one of the lazy TJ teachers by any chance?

You "grew up" with a particular norm (and maybe others did as well) but that doesn't make it the universal norm.  How do the old test papers get outside of TJ and into the hands of the selling companies?  Are the teachers and the school aware of this?  If so, what have they done to fix it?   Repeating on every thread that it's not the teachers job and trying to define cheating to suit your mental model takes us nowhere.

What are TJ and the teachers doing about it?  Tell me that and I will support it.  I can't (nor you) can convince all parents to come up with a single plan.  The school should.  If they don't they suffer the consequences.[/quote]

Why are you justifying students cheating?  "Because it is there..." is not a valid excuse.[/quote]

I did not mean to come off as mean... I think I've seen your posts on other threads and responded likewise... No, I do not justify cheating.  I believe that the school and teachers are in the best position to enforce anti-cheating measures.  I also don't believe that reviewing old tests is not teaching.  It is ONLY IF the teacher specifically says not to (Actually, I'd question why he/she is not changing the tests if that's such a concern).   If my DC cheats and I find out, there would be hell to pay.  However, if that is going to affect their future, I can't have that either.

It's like drugs.  If my DC does drugs, I'll be pissed off and try to fix it.  If someone wants to through him in jail, I will fight tooth and nail to stop that because it's only a downward spiral from there.  I think parents of most cheaters are in a similar situation.  They don't want their kids to cheat but if they do and are caught, they don't want them removed either.  The school and teachers have to lead the charge. [/quote]

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