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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sorry but, if you want to increase the number of certain race at competitive colleges, only way is to make them care more about education, put more efforts, and work harder.

Sorry that's the realtiy, and it should be the way.

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If you have to work that hard are you really that smart? [/quote]

I am smart enough to know that working hard gives me better odds of success then relying on good fortune.  I suspect you think you are smarter than that.  Or maybe- just maybe, you believe you are entitled to success - lack of hard work notwithstanding [/quote]

Elite schools are not looking for a hard worker. That is great I’m sure your boss is happy you work hard. Elite school want leaders, innovators, actors, athletes, musicians.

Congrats you are a wiz at studying, your state school will probably give you a scholarship so you’ll stay local and work hard for them until you die of a heart attack.[/quote]
This is the most pathetic feet-licking by an obviously middle-income do-nothing.

[b]Top schools don't care about athletes or musicians[/b], it's simply an easy way in for wealthy full-pay applicants with low scores. They want "innovators" as in entrepreneurs, which doesn't mean much other than comes from wealth, has wealthy parental networks and can afford to screw around while their entrepreneurship fails. And of course they want leaders, it's 6,000 leaders leading themselves and no one else. [/quote]

Top schools absolutely [i]do[/i] care about athletes and musicians, which is why they aggressively recruit them and then bend admissions standards to admit them.  They aren't doing this because these students are "full-pay" lol.[/quote]

A relative of mine is a recruited athlete at an Ivy (what I would consider a minor sport).  She was recruited junior year, and told that admission would be secure if she got at least 32 on ACT.  Way, way below the score that would be necessary for a non-athlete.  [/quote]

Way lower than somebody with no other skills … you have to be 1% in something not everything. 32 indicates she can do the work and doesn’t need to test prep and take it 5 times.[/quote]

?? how do you know she did test prep, took it 5 times and got 32??[/quote]
Someone scoring a 32 is scoring in the 97th or 98th percentile and can do just fine. As stated in other threads, these schools weren't established to admit only the absolute smartest people possible. [/quote]

so test prep or taking it 5 times has nothing to do with it[/quote]

This is why I like how Georgetown requires ALL scores.  I might be wrong, but I think I had to submit both my SAT scores when I applied way back in the 80s AND there was NO superscore.[/quote]
Why, so they can make sure they only let in the RIGHT people?  :roll: [/quote]
Like, what is wrong with scoring a progressively higher score? No one said you have to be one and done. [/quote]

It definitely tells a different story to score 32 the 1st time than the 5th time.[/quote]

Ummm...the untold story could be that the person scoring the 32 the first time took tons of practice tests and did tons of prep work and tutoring before taking an official test.
It. Doesn't. Matter. The school sets the standard. [/quote]

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