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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]ACA was sold as reducing the cost of healthcare.  Now costs have gone up and they want more and more subsidies to cover the premiums.
Of course some of the price increase is because of these same subsidies.

Look at what happened in education.  Trump put a limit of $50,000 for student loans, and a college that was charging 65,000 now has lowered tuition to.... 50,000![/quote]

So what’s the answer? Huge portions of the country just don’t deserve healthcare? The current Congress is unable to solve the easiest problems these days so what’s the path forward?[/quote]

Get government out and market forces in.

Competition between the states.

Drop the subsidies. The inherent pricing by insurance companies and medical establishments subsumes all subsidies and prices it right in to the service. So subsidies are like pure gravy to the industry.

If a procedure is $150 and the government tries to lower it by $50, the industry will just price the procedure at $200 (or more).

This is like a treadmill. You're on it and don't know how to get off. So all your answers are just raise the subsidy higher.

Why do insurance companies and medical establishments do this? It's a really simple answer: [u]because they can[/u].[/quote]

Why doesn't it necessarily work that way in other developed countries with universal health care?[/quote]They replace it with rationing.  Canada, which supposedly is the best socialized medicine, has wait times of over a year for MRI and CT.  Many go to Seattle, Michigan, Vermont as an escape valve.
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This is not what I've heard from my Canadian friends. They like their healthcare. They have access to the care they need -- every Canadian does. [/quote]

My parents lived in Canada for a few years and have many friends still there.  My mom still talks about how she wishes our system was like Canada's.  [/quote]

Did she live there when she was young and healthy or as an older person who needed more medical care?[/quote]

My mom is 87 and lives in Vancouver. My in laws are 88 and 96 and live just outside Vancouver. They wouldn’t trade their healthcare for anything offered in the US![/quote]

Americans have been completely duped into voting against their own interests for decades.  We see it glaringly with Trump voters now, but we’ve all let the rich convince us that we don’t deserve things that we’ve paid for with our taxes.[/quote]

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