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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Wow, that's quite a low standard for bigotry. Do you support driver license testing for all new drivers versus non testing of existing drivers that moved in from another state? That's a policy that's applied to an entire group, regardless of the specific characteristics of individual members of those groups. Is driver license testing the essence of bigotry? If driver license testing is not bigotry, which I suspect you'll agree that it's not, how is scrutiny of immigrants bigotry? 
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All drivers are given the same test. If Muslims were given a different test, your metaphor make make more sense. Trump, and I suspect you, propose a separate test for Muslims based on nothing more than the fact that they are Muslims. If you don't understand that as bigoted, I'm afraid that we don't have a lot to discuss.
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Very clearly not all drivers are given the same test in my example. Drivers moving in from a different state are not tested at all. If you continue to only read what you want to read and ignore things that don't conform to your existing views, then you are right, we don't have a lot to discuss.

Of course we should give different tests based on the situation. Just as you would screen new drivers more carefully, you would screen people from communist countries more carefully, and you would also screen more carefully people from countries where a significant minority of the population hold believes incompatible with our core American values. I can't believe I am having this discussion - do you not focus your limited resources in the areas where there is more occurrence of problems? I did software testing for a living in a previous career you and you bet your ass we more vigorously tested software delivered by a company that had more defects in the past, regardless of who the actual coder was that wrote a module. But based on your view, our increased scrutiny of that software vendor amounted to bigotry.

Unbelievable. [/quote]

If your point is that prejudice and discrimination are just hunky dory, I'm not going to argue with you. Just don't get mad when I say that you support prejudice and discrimination.

As I keep saying, you can't simultaneously argue that Trump (and you by extension) don't support discrimination and that discrimination is justified. You really need to pick your argument and run with it.
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We keep talking in circles because you keep conflating the two different definitions of "discrimination":

dis·crim·i·nate
    1.   recognize a distinction; differentiate.
    2.   make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, sex, or age.

The first definition is what we all practice on a daily basis. It's again part of what makes us human. When you test new drivers but do not test state-to-state transfer drivers, that's also the first type of discrimination - recognizing that there is a valid difference and treating the two groups differently as a result.

You somehow think practicing discrimination of the first kind somehow makes someone guilty of discrimination in the second kind. Note that not even all discrimination based on race, sex, or age is discrimination of the second kind: only those that are unjust or prejudicial. For example, people under a certain age cannot watch certain movies, this is a discrimination based on age, but it is a just distinction. Men as a group have higher life insurance costs for similar age and health, which is a discrimination based on sex, but this distinction again has just reasons. Similarly, there are valid and just reasons to apply more scrutiny to people applying for immigration or refugee status from Muslim or Arab countries. My reasons for believing the reasons are just have been outlined in previous posts so I won't repeat them here. Again you are conflating two different things. As long as you continue to do this, no one can have a productive conversation with you. I've tried my best. I'll leave this branch of the discussion here. [/quote]

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