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I'm honestly baffled by your first statement.  Publicly-funded higher education is a false premise? In what way?

Sure, there are approaches that would diminish its value, but I'm thinking in terms that maximize return on investment.  Only qualified, high performing students are accepted into programs, some schools are  more competitive than others, and there's a "pay back" component, i.e, recipients are required to work in civil service in some way - like the National Health Service Corps.

There are always myriad reasons NOT to do something big like health reform, social security, civil rights bills - but the benefits to figuring out how to do them are always so much greater.  I don't see how higher education is different.  Or impossible.  [/quote]

Read past PP's baffling-to-you first statement. She answers everything you ask.[/quote]

I'm the person who said its a false premise. The premise that Sanders is campaigning for it on is that it will reduce the inequality gap. That is the false premise. Free public colleges will not reduce the inequality gap, and in fact stand to increase the gap. If we make college free before we address the inequalities in k-12 education, and the problem families face in affording high quality childcare, we're not fixing the root causes of the gap, and we're making it worse. [/quote]

Where are you getting the idea that Sanders is not going to address k-12 and childcare? He has made is very clear that education on all levels are top priority. I posted links earlier in this thread. I see no problem with free public college but it is also not his main platform as someone keeps stating. [/quote]

The links that were posted about his platform on education are based on legislation that was never even voted on. He has not said anything about how he will raise money to improve access to quality education k-12, in addition to the billions upon billions required to fund free public college. [b]He has no concrete plans to make high quality childcare, primary and secondary education available to every single child in this country. [/b][/quote]

What are you talking about? He talks about this constantly. His plan is to raise taxes for billionaires and corporations in order to pay for these things. How can you have missed this? Whether or not you believe that is feasible is another question but he talks about this all of the time. i posted a link to his speech talking about childcare. I quoted him on education and posted a link from ontheissues.org which talks about his entire history as a politician. You do not get to make up the facts as you go along. You might not think it will work but saying he has no plan is just false. [/quote]

He can talk about it all he wants. He definitely believes in it (according to the ontheissues thing that was posted, unless I missed one), but he doesn't have a plan. He plans to tax Wall Street and billionaires to pay for free public college. And what is the proportion of students in public colleges vs private? I don't know it, but making free college available to everyone is impossible without increasing the number of public colleges by a huge number. I have watched most of the debates, and have only heard him say he supports education, and oh by the way - FREE PUBLIC COLLEGE!!! Believing that everyone should have access is different than having a concrete and viable plan to actually do something about it.

Not to mention - k-12 education reform should come before making college free![/quote]

So the real issue is not that you don't think he plans to put more money into k-12 and create a comprehensive childcare plan. The problem is that you don't believe he will actually do it and that is a different ball of wax. My main reason for saying he is the better feminist is that I do believe him, based on his history, and I do not believe Clinton, based on hers. I can remember getting all excited during Bill Clinton's debates when he talked about a childcare plan and then, of course, nothing happened. We saw, instead, his welfare reform which was terribly damaging to poor women and children. And we saw Hillary fighting hard to put that plan into effect. So it's pretty hard for me to believe she is going to be any different now. [/quote]

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