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OK, many of us religious folk don't think you have to "turn over" your intellect to believe. PP may think that. But lots of us engage in tons of critical study of our religions, reading alternative POVs and historical research. I certainly have done all of this (and yet I still believe, go figure).

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New posters to this thread.  This is interesting.  What's your religion and can you point me to some of these sources you consider to be most powerful in convincing you it's true?[/quote]

That was my post. I didn't say that I've read books that "convinced me it's true." Instead, I've read authors like Borg, Crossan, and Spong who are critical of major tenets of my religion (Christianity).

A key point here is that these authors and/or theologians aren't trying to convince the reader that God does or does not exist. Instead, they're arguing about points that are foundational in many modern-day churches' theologies, like the trinity or crucifixion. Sometimes I find their arguments convincing and other times I don't. Often they disagree with each other.

It's a game for wonks, and I happily cop to being a wonk. However, it's a million times more interesting than the trollish gibberish you see on DCUM--the unthinking repetition of stuff the troll has seen elsewhere, along the lines of "Jesus never existed" and snide quips about sky fairies. Why trolls think that childishness would convert any thinking person to atheism is beyond me![/quote]

Atheists have supplied to evidence to show that religion is bogus. [b] Why do Christians fail to see the connection between Jesus/God/resurrection/virgin birth and pagan beliefs?  It's all there.[/b]  Furthermore, moving from polytheism to monotheism was a political move, as it centralized control over the masses, and the bible itself mentions the polytheistic practices of the Israelites.

No, you can't disprove God, but you can find evidence that supports the points I made above.  I fail to see how using evidence is childish behavior.  Who's the one doing the name calling and failing to produce evidence to support a claim?

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Some educated Christians do see this connection --it's even taught in adult Christian education classes in some churches.  They may not see Christianity that way their parents or grandparents did, but they are still solid Christians.[/quote]

what?[b] You make no sense[/b].

The move from polytheistic to monotheistic belief systems - based on pagan thought - goes against Christian beliefs, as it negates the idea of Jesus and an all-powerful, all-loving God.[/quote]

It's not a matter of making sense - It's simply a report on what and how some Christians believe and what is taught in some adult Christian education classes, corroborated by another poster.[/quote]

Yup. It's also important to understand that questioning the virgin birth does not mean that you reject the Christian message or instantly become an atheist.[/quote]

Atheists don't become atheists instantly -- it's usually the result of a lot of thought and study -- or else they were just born that way -- not susceptible to belief.[/quote]

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