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It's not given up, it's turned over -- another concept that people without faith don't understand.[/quote]

LOL, that's like an alcoholic saying that he has self control just like anyone else, except "it's turned over" when he got drunk over, and over, and over. [/quote]

PP who doesn't think you'll "EVER" like me--that's fine, I can totally live with that.

I may have found your new bff, though. You probably think this post from upthread at 11/10 is "reasonable contribution" to the discussion, that it furthers everybody's understanding of the intellectual fine points, that there's no risk it would derail the thread, and so on. (That wasn't my post at the top about turning over control, BTW.) It's the first and least offensive of the alcoholic comparisons, and it wasn't deleted with the other alcoholic comparisons because it was relatively mild next to them.  So if abuse on a scale that exceeds this is your idea of a "reasonable contribution" then she's your fellow traveler and I wish you both joy....
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