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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]^^^ You didn't read the article did you? Glenn Beck DID NOT WRITE IT!  LOLOLOL.  My reference was to a book he wrote titled "Arguing with Idiots".

By the way? I'm not a libertarian. I'm a Constitutional Conservative, if anything, more of a 'limitarian', i.e. limited government.

The point you are missing is that Somalia IS NOT LIBERTARIAN. And no progressive rant is complete until it includes something about the Koch Brothers. You missed a trick and forgot to mention Dick Cheney....

I know the Daily Kos is all over this, but they are (again) wrong.

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Somalia isn't "libertarian" in the sense of not comporting with whatever naive, fantastical vision the delusional libertarians have, where everyone is a good person, and if only we get evil government out of the way we will all suddenly have free ponies and rainbow ice cream.  But Somalia absolutely IS libertarian in the sense of [b]not having any government in the way, and everyone there is free to do whatever they want to do without any taxes, laws or regulations of any kind of red tape to get in their way.  That is EXACTLY what Somalia is.  Somalia is the inconvenient reality of libertarianism.[/b]

Look, you can trot out all the opinion pieces you like, but until you can actually demonstrate a successful libertarian nation, you got nothing.  Somalia IS the ground truth.

And, you "limitarians" are not much freaking better.   Chop the legs out from federal government and all you have left is states becoming a loose balkanized jumble of small backwater countries that could barely compete on the world stage.  Between China and Russia any American world presence would evaporate in a heartbeat.  And "Constitutional Conservative" is a misnomer, by the way, given how you guys want to pick and choose what parts of the Constitution you find valid.  For example, you'd throw away clauses which have long been upheld in the courts, like "interstate commerce" and "necessary and proper" and "general welfare" in a heartbeat.[/quote]

Again, you are incorrect. I am not 'trotting out blogs'. I am giving you the history of the country. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

The Constitution limits the federal government. All that's not there falls to the states and locals. It's really, really simple. One can also amend the Constitution - one of the gifts our forefathers gave us, recognizing a changing future world. Amending the Constitution is not supposed to be easy, because your really want to be careful how much power you give to the Feds - they are simply too far from the people to govern effectively.

Let's say Sanders gets into office. How is he going to force the elite to pay up? How is he going to force them to produce?[/quote]

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