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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Case in point - a bakery refusing to bake a cake for a Christian organization, claiming the words are hateful. The problem is, the bakery won't provide a copy of the order, blaming the Christian organization who ordered it. Note the Christian organization supports the right of the bakery to decline the order.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/02/embattled-baker-claimed-christian-activist-wanted-his-cake-to-read-god-hates-gays-and-that-she-refused-but-theres-a-major-problem-with-that-story/[/quote]

Those with your point of view repeatedly confuse the discrimination issue. Refusing to provide a product is not automatically discrimination. Refusing to provide a product to a customer because that client's race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. is discrimination. In the case you highlight, the baker is not refusing to sell cakes to Christians. The baker is simply refusing to provide a specific product (cakes with hateful messages).

I've used this example before, but similarly a Jewish deli cannot be expected to sell ham sandwiches against its will. However, if a Jewish deli refuses to sell certain customers because of their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc., it could be violating anti-discrimination laws in many places.

For what it is worth, I support the t-shirt business mentioned in that article that didn't want to sell pro-gay t-shirts. Nobody should force him to sell something he doesn't want to sell. But, if he didn't want to sell t-shirts to gay customers, I'd have a problem with it.
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Laughable. What makes the message 'hateful'? It's a judgement call, isn't it? You consider a Christian baker not wanting to bake a cake for a gay couple's wedding, a 'hateful' move, i.e. discrimination.

In the other cases, the Christian organizations were not refusing to provide their product to gay people. In fact, there was no evidence that they said "You are gay? No service". They were refusing to provide a custom product for a specific event, i.e. gay wedding, due to their religious views, just like the gay baker was refusing to provide a specific product for a specific purpose.[/quote]

I see a difference -- in the linked article, the customer agreed that he asked for a cake that said "homosexuality is a detestable sin."  That's a pretty special, custom order.  There's no evidence that the gay couple wanted anything other than a wedding cake, same as every other engaged couple.[/quote]

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