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If you wish to engage in the self study of Islam (because you do not trust the word of any Muslim), then begin with learning to read the Quran in the language it was revealed in and its true meaning. Also learn Islamic history.  Anybody can opine on Islam by reading the translation. Doesn't make their opinion valuable or credible. Its just their opinion. Sort of like my picking up a Bible and casting my own opinions on the scripture. I would be better off to study the language the Bible was revealed in and read original scriptures. If I can not do that, I turn next to priests or biblical scholars. I do not refuse assuming all Christians are liars. I find a priest or biblical scholar who seems trustworthy and ask him to help me understand Christianity. [/quote]
Most Muslims don't read or speak the Quranic Arabic.

You are under the impression that unless someone agrees with your message completely, they must not have studied enough.  How arrogant.

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You can never learn the truth about Islam if you embark on a self study but refuse to learn the language the Quran was revealed in, simply because you can't even trust a Muslim. If you seek knowledge but begin your investigation with that level of hatred and mistrust, you will end up in the same place you began, still full of hate and mistrust and never learning anything new.

You do not seem to be on a truth seeking journey. You are plagued by personal experiences, perhaps negative experiences. But the mistake you make is confusing Islam with practice. The way Islam is practiced in some countries is not real Islam. It is not the Islam Prophet Muhammad preached. The condition and treatment of women deteriorated after the Prophet died and these countries have returned back to ignorant thinking with oppressive rules, similar to pre islamic times.[/quote]

Most Muslims don't speak, read or understand the Quranic Arabic. Go pick on them.

Again, you seem to be under the impression that if someone doesn't agree with you, it's because they haven't studied enough.  You are simply discounting the possibility that someone could have read, explored and studied all they wanted, and arrived at the conclusions that they did. You are assuming that every opinion different from yours is unlearned. Very arrogant.[/quote]

I have said Muslims are fine with disagreement. The Quran states, "There is no compulsion in Islam." No one needs to like Islam, convert to Islam, agree with Islam.  This was never merely about disagreement. It was about an hate driven campaign. You can not even get yourself to speak with an imam or scholar because you said you mistrust them all.  How can they all be untrustworthy and liars, simply because they are Muslim?

And when you say inheritance laws give less to women, its to show the disparity = inequity. Thats a bit misleading considering you failed to mention men have greater financial burdens and women do not need to support themselves.

When you say Islam never established voting rights, you failed to discuss sura ash shurra which spoke to men as well as to women, and asked that all decisions requiring collective opinions be decided by consultation. You deny sura 60:12 which allowed women to take an oath to enter the tribe. You insisted its not a political oath, but instead a purity pledge simply because women were asked not to fornicate and commit adultery. I pointed out the last sentence of the oath, which asks the women to obey the Prophet in whatever he asks. This is not a purity pledge but a promise of political support to the prophet who was the new leader. Instead of admitting you may have misunderstood, you suddenly shifted and the complaint was no longer about voting rights but now about gender bias.

The goal posts keep moving....

On gender bias, you asked why only women were asked not to fornicate. Simple answer: if they came to the Prophet without a guardian and with children, some illegitimate, of course he was going to remind them that their past behavior may not continue. You asked why men were not asked the same. There was no way to ascertain paternity so why ask a man about illegitimate children if you have no evidence there are any?

From there were new complaints about Muslims not being able to read Quranic Arabic. Then you jumped to yet another complaint about the Quran- abrogation. These are easy to address but I'm not sure you are seeking knowledge, particularly from a Muslim since you don't trust anything we say.

Every time I give you an answer, you request evidence from historical context or the Quran. But then when evidence is provided, you reject it if it has an Arab or Muslim author. Who else will provide testimony about arab history except Arabs? When I provide evidence from the Quran, you reject the Quran's authenticity because its not in chronological order or because of perceived abrogation.

So you see, you are not embarking on a truth seeking mission here. Its a campaign driven by another agenda. 
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