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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't think Islam is divinely inspired but then I don't think any religion is. I want you to know something. You behave like every single unskilled dawwa-giver I met, and I met a lot of them - including my numerous Saudi in-laws. They all go on and on about how fabulous Islam is; when I point out something factual that doesn't seem appealing to me, they come up with all kinds of reasons why black is white and white is black, and then they ask me to agree that Islam is fabulous. When I continue saying that it doesn't seem fabulous to me, they all say, No! You see in your heart that it's fabulous, you just DELIBERATELY don't want to admit it. I'm like why? Why would I hesitate to admit it? I've told you about all the reasons it doesn't work for me, and I'm not going to suddenly decide that these reasons aren't important any more. I'm not deliberately being anything. You've failed to make a good argument. That's fine; no religion has ever made a good argument to me. But to insist that whoever doesn't see the beauty of Islam MUST be refusing deliberately is just disrespectful. I have no problem with you believing what you believe. But stop trying to make me admit it makes sense or is fabulous. It doesn't. And it isn't, not to me. And that's completely sincere.[/quote] Very well put, PP. I'm the poster who yesterday was challenging Muslima's so-called "logic" as disengenuous as best, and outright deceptive at worst. When I say outright deceptive, I include in this description Muslima's half-truths ("Islam offers various rights to women") as well as outrights lies ("Islam offers asylum to captives"). [b]My only goal is to get the complete facts out there. Then DCUM's readers can decide for themselves whether they see "beauty" in the Islamic system. DCUM readers can decide for themselves whether forcing unconsensual sex on female captives is "beautiful," or not. [/b]But DCUM's readers can't make decisions based on full information if Muslima's and the other Muslim poster's statements, such as "Islam offers captives asylum," are left to stand unchallenged. What I find very frustrating is that when we challenge this supposed "logic" and "beauty," as carefully and selectively presented by Muslima and the other poster, Muslima and the other poster accuse us of "hating Islam" and of being "afraid" to accept the beauty of Islam. I hope DCUM readers can see that this as yet another example of a logical fallacy, one of many logical errors, in their arguments. Yes, it's true that I don't see the "beauty" of many of these religious rules, once they are fully explained. But this hzs nothing to do with "being afraid" to accept some selectively presented "logic." That's just plain silly.[/quote] Is UNconsensual a word??? lol Listen if your goal or other people's goal was simply to get the "facts" out there about Islam, you or others would never have called Muhammad a pedophile and you would not resort to sarcasm ("beauty" of Islam). [/quote] Is this your best response? To ridicule me and put other peoples' words in my mouth? I never called Muhammed a pedophile, that was another poster. And I put quotes around "beauty" because I was quoting you and your repeated use of the word "beautiful" to describe your religion. I don't happen to agree, so I needed to indicate that "beauty" was your word, not my own. You seem to live by the adage, when you have no response, attack the person. No matter. The facts are now a matter of record. Other readers can read your limited statements, and then they can read more complete descriptions from the other PP and myself. And they can draw their own conclusions.[/quote] Muhammad was called a pedophile, yet you're offended that I poked fun at "unconsensual"? WTH? And yes the quotes around beauty is sarcasm. If you merely disagreed, you'd simply state you disagree. So if you're going to dish it, better develop a thick skin. [/quote]
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