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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Correction, according to pew most people think Trump IS an atheist. [/quote]

"Not too or not at all religious" doesn't mean atheist. That actually describes most believers.

Anyway, Trump has said many times over the years that he believes in god and heaven.

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The reason religions put belief above other attributes is that at least as of now, it isn't provable whether someone believes or not. So anyone can believe and feel righteous with no easy way to prove they aren't a believer and follower. Maybe technology will change that and soon we will be able to test people's beliefs neurologically. But for now, many people say they believe in God and then do exactly the opposite of what that God tells humans to do. It's low hanging fruit to believe something. You don't actually have to do anything.[/quote]

You can actually believe in god and still not do what god tells you to do.

Just like people believe that laws exist and still don’t follow them.

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But in your analogy they dont think those laws are important right? So are you saying they dont think God's laws are important? They believe but dont really like what God says to do?[/quote]

Do you think that all people who believe god exists do every single thing that they think that god wants them to do? 100%

If that were the case then why would anyone need “forgiveness”? 
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Do you think people who believe in God are perfect or supposed to be perfect?

We are all sinners. [/quote]

Sinning actually doesnt make sense related to a god. Related to humans it makes sense because we have the capacity to hurt others. If God wanted us all to go to heaven and not sin 0we wouldn't need forgiveness or sin. Humans are just evolved mammals that invented religion and government to keep their societies in check. That makes way more sense than God wanting us to go to heaven and making us in his image but us having a hard time becoming like him. It also matches up with the history of humans who invented religion once societies were formed. 
People don't follow laws of the world because either they think they are stupid and people who made them stupid or they are not thinking about good choices and being pulled by animal instincts or are being threatened or enticed by other people. Otherwise they typically follow them. The same is true for religious laws. God has nothing to do with it. They are all just laws made up by other men that people follow or don't based on their needs and wants. [/quote]

You are expressing your opinion. I am quoting the Bible. The quote is important because we are discussing Christianity and the beliefs of people who are Christians.

Whatever opinions you have about religion are your own personal thoughts and not facts.

For a group of people who demand facts and evidence and studies and hard data, you certainly aren’t shy about posting paragraph after paragraph of your own personal thoughts and expecting everyone to take it as fact,

Such a contradiction.
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