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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The most overrepresented student at Yale is the private school graduate. By far. That will NEVER change.[/quote]

I would not be so sure.

“When selective admissions seem so inexplicable — or, worse, tilted in ways that benefit the already advantaged — it should come as no surprise that many Americans do not trust the process,” the committee wrote.[/quote]
I just don’t see how you can ever have an explicable process for undergraduate admissions and an admissions rate under 5%. 17 year olds are just not that fully formed yet. And if they were, college would be pointless. [/quote]

I can point to half a dozen countries where they do this every year.[/quote]

But none of them achieve what you think that it does. Cram school privilege is even worse in Asia than privilege here, you are delusional if you believe otherwise. Public school kids in the UK get huge advantages over private school kids because of the former huge admissions imbalances. What you dream of doesn't exist. In some countries testing schemes exist which do not achieve what you believe that they do.[/quote]

I try not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  single test admissions is better than "holistic" admissions that allow admissions officers to limit the number of jews to admit or give some races preferences over others or give preferences to country club sports or people who claim to have a burning passion for medieval literature.[/quote]

Holistic admissions is far superior because none of these schools are or ever have been optimizing for 'peak' academics. They are building a class which fits your priorities, they are not optimizing the training or another crop of engineers which is what the Asian systems you so admire are set up to do. Also, they are private entities and have every right to build a class as they see fit. Public schools admitting based on exam is something that I am perfectly fine with even if it diminishes the rigor of private schools over time. People don't want these schools because of the training, they are looking for prestige.[/quote]
People in the west overlook all the downsides to Asia’s various education systems- which is surprising, because they’re visibly poor ideas of how to run one. Even china, which is loved on this forum for whatever reason, has such a utilitarian admission policy, because its government is run by and formed by engineers. Engineers have a certain management strategy that reflects well in the modern Chinese government; meanwhile, the US prefers (usually, not including Trump) pretty privileged, highly educated legally trained professionals in government. [/quote]

People not from the west but living in the west overlook the downsides and advocate for a system that they understand how to navigate vs one that they do not understand. There is much less angst from the native born. This isn’t unique to the top privates, it applies equally to the top UC schools given that many of these families live in CA. Our system of private universities is unique and the fact that they aren’t focused on peak academics but rather a high baseline then other factors is also pretty unique.

They want to attend these schools because if their prestige but at the same want to change them in ways that would reduce their prestige longer term.[/quote]

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