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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The vast majority of people with mental illness, including very serious mental illness, are not in conservatorships. Even rarer is a conservatorship in which the conservatee has significant income and assets and where the conservator requires the coservatee to generate millions in revenue.

Brittany is mentally ill. Only weirdos think otherwise. But being mentally ill, even significantly so, does not mean your right to make decisions about employment and medical care should be taken away. [/quote]
Your rose colored glasses need cleaning. People who think like you are responsible for the mentally ill homeless sleeping wherever they choose and not receiving proper care  [/quote]

Uh no. Brittany makes tons of money and is not homeless. She does make weird and poor choices. That does not meet the standard for being placed in a conservatorship. People who cannot care for themselves and are living on the streets typically do meet the standard for conservatorship. In Virginia, the standard is “gravely disabled” and unable to provide for one’s basic needs like food, clothing, and shelter. Brittany plainly does not meet this standard.[/quote]

DP- Britney had to sell the rights to her music because she ran out of money. She spent millions on private jets to Mexico over the last few years. It was very reckless spending and those mooching off her have no reason to stop it.[/quote]

Last time I checked, selling the rights to your music and spending the proceeds for fun doesn’t result in you losing your basic freedoms. Otherwise, like half the NFL retirees would be in conservatorships. [/quote]

Spending your money on meth isn’t what most would call “fun.”[/quote]

Zero credible evidence she's on meth. But blowing your money on drugs doesn't justify conservatorship under the law anyway. Once again, consider retired professional athletes. Should a substantial portion of them be in conservatorships for making idiotic financial decisions and having addictions?[/quote]

Certainly those that have clear CTE damage engaging in bizarre behavior should be, yes.[/quote]
DP. Plenty of male celebrities who have rumored to use drugs and wasted money that haven’t been forced into conservatorships. Chris Brown, Justin Beiber, Kanye west etc [/quote]

Why do posters keep arguing that because plenty of x, y and z male celebrities/athletes do this then she can do it?  Is there a troll who is just hell bent on arguing that she should never be under a conservatorship bc homeless people exist/ NFL players get DUIs/ Kanye West is bipolar/ Chris Brown (huh?)/male celebrities waste money……
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Because it highlights that her public conduct doesn’t meet the standard for conservatorship.

I don’t suppose you’re arguing that all these other celebrities engaged in similar or worse conduct should be placed in conservatorships? [/quote]

Dp, This poster seems to argue that Britney is better off destroying her health and life, because some others destroyed their health and life.  It’s a pretty ridiculous argument.[/quote]

No, that’s not what I’m arguing at all. I’m arguing that her bad conduct doesn’t meet the standard for taking away most of her basic freedoms. The question isn’t whether she’d be “better off” (I don’t know). It’s whether the government can hand over her freedom to a private person.

People have the right to wreck their own lives and make bad decisions, like driving drunk and refusing medical care. I don’t think engaging in that kind of conduct alone justifies a conservatorship where you’re no longer able to make decisions about whether and to what extent you work, what happens to your money, whether you can have a baby, whether you can enter into contracts, where you can live, etc. The courts in every state happen to agree with me.[/quote]

No, people DON'T have the right to drive drunk. If they choose to destroy their own lives in the desert, then ok. If their choices endanger the lives of others like Britney driving for an hour drunk and/or on drugs, then absolutely no. Lock them up in a hospital or prison. [/quote]

You go to prison. You’re not put in a conservatorship. [/quote]
DUI doesn't typically result in any significant prison time. Nor does it necessarily help get her mental health treatment.

It's too bad there's not some version of mental health parole where you have someone monitoring that you're participating in mental health care while still having some ability to have freedoms. Especially if it's clear that you could be a danger to others, e.g., driving drunk, if you are not receiving appropriate mental health treatment.  I agree that a conservatorship seems like it's a bit much, but she's not really just choosing this life either because her mental health isn't in a place where she's capable of making choices.[/quote]

I agree with you there. We need more support for people with mental illness and more steps in between conservatorship and nothing. [/quote]

If family or friends could step in to oversee/mandate treatment of the seriously mentally ill, would be a dramatic drop in long term homeless and suicides.[/quote]
Even a family and friends can convince a mentally ill person to go to the ER with them to seek treatment, nothing is available unless the person is determined to be dangerous to themselves or others. You can't just walk in and get any sort of help. So then you have to get on waitlists and hope that the person's mental illness and willingness lines up with getting off a waitlist.  In the meantime, they're doing lots of things that are harmful to themselves, and potentially to others.[/quote]

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