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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Selective state flagships seem to value well rounded kids who are in the top 10 percent of their high school class with leadership in traditional extracurricular activities (i.e. varsity sport captain, SGA president, etc.). Most kids at T20s are either hooked (recruited athlete, legacy, donor, first generation low income) or very pointy ([b]exceptional grades and test scores[/b] with national/international recognition in a less common extracurricular activity).[/quote]

Actually[b] many of the "T20's" are Test optional so [/b]there is that  ....plus the most selective publics for OOS students..I'm talking about single digit OOS acceptance rate publics..all students admitted to these publics all have exceptional grades and definitely have top test scores because many of these publics require them.  But, I agree that the publics do value kids in varsity sports, captains and SGA presidents etc. Really socially well adjusted kids.     [/quote]

You are not getting into a top 20 test optional unless you are hooked or applying to Vanderbilt, UCLA, or Cal. Test optional is for hooked applicants.[/quote]

Not really true anymore - here is the USNWR top 20 Universities and top ten colleges that require testing. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/top-colleges-that-still-require-test-scores[/quote]

I know which schools are test optional. My point is that going test optional to a top 20, outside Vandy, UCs, Michigan in-state, is not going to work in 2026 unless you are hooked (athlete, donor, FGLI). Will there be exceptions? Of course. But for the most part you need test scores if unhooked. [/quote]

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