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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am so sick of her. She loves spotlights[/quote]

Says the misogynist. A Buffalo Bill played through a playoff game recently that he tore his ACL during. He was called heroic.[/quote]

Eh, not really. You are not familiar how this works - every single NFL player is dealing with some sort of ailment at the end of the year. No one is calling him a hero (other than the most ridiculous fan), it's just what happens and the teams love saying this after the season when they lost to provide cover. [/quote]

Except that I am. He was healthy prior to the injury. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47602037/bills-tyrell-shavers-played-torn-acl-2nd-half-vs-jaguars[/quote]

DP. It was dumb for him to go out and play on the injury. And I said it at the time.

But when he is called "heroic" it's because he's part of a team. It is viewed as a sacrifice he made for his team, to give them a chance to win the game. Josh Allen apparently played on a broken foot and yes, that was deemed "heroic" because without him the Bills never would have had a chance. Also, teams often have limited options for replacing a player, especially mid-game -- the backup might be terrible. In some cases, the backup might also have an injury.

Downhill skiing is not a team sport. So the dynamics are different. Vonn didn't benefit her teammates by choosing to compete, and it could be seen as selfish because had she bowed out due to her injury, a healthy American skier would have had a chance to ski in the Olympics. It's really hard to see her choose to ski and then have this accident almost immediately -- it feels like a wasted opportunity for a younger skier who, even if they had not medaled at this Olympics, might have gotten important experience that could help with their future career. Whereas Vonn's career is all but over.[/quote]
That’s not the way skiing works. They couldn’t have just swapped her out for a different American [/quote]

That's true, but it's an individual sport and another, healthy, skier would have gotten a start in her place if she'd dropped. I'm not sure how much it matters whether that skier would have been American or not (I actually don't know and am too lazy to look it up).[/quote]

I think actually that there would have just been one less competitor. [/quote]

Nope, both wrong. Had Vonn withdrawn from the Olympics, the US would have been been allowed to sub in another qualified skier, as long as that skier was ranked within the top 30 of the FIS World Cup Start List. The US has a bunch of skiers on that list -- Allison Mollin, Isabella Wright, Keely Cashman, Haley Cutler. I know for a fact that Mollin was pretty devastated to miss out on an Olympic spot and would have jumped at the chance.

We can debate whether it was right for Vonn to attempt to ski given her injury, but there's no question to me that if she'd withdrawn, another young American skier would have had a chance to ski. [/quote]

Mollin had the chance. She…didn’t make the cut. [/quote]

Right, Vonn is obviously the better skier. Unless... she tears her ACL nine days before the event and her participation becomes a big gamble. She earned the right to take that gamble if she so chooses, but that's not going to stop people from second guessing whether it was the right choice, especially when the result was that she was airlifted off the course.

Would Mollin have medaled in this event? No. She's not fast enough. Yet. But it would have been terrific experience for a very promising and up and coming skier. This was Vonn's fifth Olympic Games, after coming out of retirement to do it, and in retrospect I think it would have been better for Vonn and for US skiing if she'd withdrawn after her ACL tear. The OP is right that this was a big opportunity for a young skier that Vonn took away for her swan song. Had Vonn been healthy, I don't think anyone would have argued with that. She wasn't. I think she should have withdrawn.[/quote]

No one “took anything away” from anyone. Want a spot on the Olympic team? Earn. It.

Vonn won her spot, and despite a significant injury, she chose to give it her all and take the opportunity. The opportunity SHE EARNED. It is not Vonn’s job to give another athlete a chance to develop experience, blah blah blah. That’s Mollin’s job, and Mollin’s coach’s job, etc.

Stop with the “took away for her swan song.” Vonn EARNED her spot and she chose to use the opportunity. It didn’t go her way. Unfortunately. But the only person she hurt and disappointed was herself. Want a spot on the Olympic team? EARN IT.[/quote]

Many people, including me, believe that veteran athletes have an obligation to nurture the next generation of athletes. That is obviously not your view, which is fine, but you don't seem to understand that these are OPINIONS (look, I have a caps lock key too!) not facts. My opinion is different from your opinion. That's all. Both of our opinions are valid.

Vonn earned her spot, and then she got hurt. She wasn't the same skier she was prior to destroying her ACL in Crans-Montana.

I think a lot of people defending Vonn's choice here would be singing a different tune if we were talking about a different skier, someone less famous or decorated, making the exact same choice. A lot of this is just "Vonn is one of my favorite athletes, she can do whatever she wants." People wanted to see her race. That's fine, I wanted to see her race too, but not like this. Sorry but I think it was the wrong choice.[/quote]

And I think you would be singing a different tune if chance had gone the other way, and she had a good run (she had good training runs). We get it: Vonn is bad. Here’s all the injured Winter Olympians who are good:

Petra Majdic (Cross-Country Skiing, 2010): Fell into a gully during warmups, suffering five broken ribs and a punctured lung. She competed through intense pain, won a bronze medal, and was immediately hospitalized.
Sofia Goggia (Alpine Skiing, 2022): Won downhill silver less than a month after sustaining a partially torn ACL, minor fracture, and tendon damage.
Ollie Martin (Snowboarding, 2026): Finished fourth in the men's big air final while competing with a broken arm sustained in training.
Carlo Janka (Alpine Skiing, 2018): Competed in the Winter Olympics only two months after tearing his ACL.
Philippe Marquis (Mogul Skiing, 2018): Competed at the Pyeongchang Olympics just one month after an ACL tear.
Philippe Marquis (Mogul Skiing, 2018) 28

Greg Louganis had a concussion but yay because he got gold, he’s a hero. See also Kerri Strug.

“Pros Play Hurt” and if it works out, you’re a hero. If it doesn’t, and you take the spot YOU EARNED, you’re a thief…if you fail.[/quote]

Her injury was more severe and only a week prior. More risky.

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Not to mention that she's 41.

Petra Majdic (Cross-Country Skiing, 2010  31
Sofia Goggia (Alpine Skiing, 2022) 29
Ollie Martin (Snowboarding, 2026) 17 (!!)
Carlo Janka (Alpine Skiing, 2018) 31

Greg Louganis won his medal injured in 1988.  There were no concussion protocols back then.

The average age for an Alpine super G skier is 26.  Vonn is ancient in this sport, and no matter how well conditioned you are, your body is simply not that same at 41.  Especially since she had multiple prior injuries.  Her body has to be a wreck.

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Lindsey Vonn’s career was marked by a extensive list of serious injuries spanning over two decades, resulting in multiple knee ligament tears (ACL/MCL/LCL), fractures to her tibial plateau, arm, ankle, and concussions. Following a 2024 knee replacement, she returned to competition for the 2026 season, only to suffer a torn left ACL in January 2026, followed by a left tibial fracture during the 2026 Winter Olympics. 
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Comprehensive Injury History 
2026 (Jan/Feb): Torn left ACL (Jan 30) followed by a fractured left tibia (Feb) at the Milano Cortina Olympics.
2019 (Jan): Impact injury to the peroneal nerve in her leg.
2018 (Nov): Torn lateral collateral ligament (LCL), meniscus damage, and three tibial plateau fractures in her left knee.
2017-18: Acute facet (spinal joint) dysfunction.
2016 (Nov): Severely fractured humerus in her right arm, requiring surgery.
2016 (Feb): Multiple fractures in her left knee (hairline fracture).
2015 (Aug): Broken ankle from a training crash in New Zealand.
2013-14 (Nov): Re-torn right ACL, forcing her to miss the 2014 Sochi Olympics.
2013 (Feb): Torn right ACL, MCL, and tibial plateau fracture.
2011 (Feb): Concussion.
2010 (Feb): Broken right pinkie finger and bruised shin during the Olympics.
2009 (Dec): Microfractures in her left forearm.
2009 (Feb): Severed tendon in her right thumb.
2007 (Feb): Sprained right ACL. 
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Vonn's injuries necessitated over 10 major surgeries throughout her career, including multiple operations on her right knee. [/quote]

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