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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes, he's very lucky because that's what it is. Luck.[/quote]

No, the point is he had a hook. That isn’t luck.[/quote]

It’s luck to have legacy status. [/quote]

It means the kid is lucky to have legacy but it wasn’t by luck he was admitted. He could say I’m lucky to have had legacy status but this doesn’t work:

Friend: you got in because you’re a legacy

Kid:  I got in bc I am lucky.

He didn’t get admitted due to luck…he got admitted bc of legacy, which is a hook.[/quote]

Kid got in because he’s super qualified AND lucky. Lucky to be a legacy that may have given him a slight edge over another kid. 
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No. He got in bc he was a legacy. It’s like saying a kid who got in ED to a school as a recruited athlete got in bc of luck. He is lucky but it wasn’t luck that got him in, even if he has good stats. He got in bc he is lucky, not bc of pure, dumb luck.[/quote]

Kid was lucky to be legacy. And lucky that legacy helped.

Legacies aren’t getting in without hard work.

And not all well-qualified legacies get in. 
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You seem incapable of saying it. In general: [b]Many more[/b] well-qualified legacies will be admitted over well-qualified non-legacies AND some legacies will be admitted over more qualified non-legacies. [/quote]

“Many more”? 
Based on what data?

How are you defining “more qualified”? 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/upshot/ivy-league-legacy-admissions.html

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Yet the admissions advantage they get at many elite colleges for being children of alumni is far greater than that. They were nearly four times as likely to be admitted as applicants with the same test scores, according to the data, released Monday. And legacy students from the richest 1 percent of families were five times as likely to be admitted.

The new study was based in part on internal admissions data from several of a group of 12 elite colleges: the Ivy League as well as Duke, M.I.T., the University of Chicago and Stanford.

They also compared legacies’ chance of admission at the colleges their parents attended versus similarly elite schools. They found that they were slightly more likely to get in to the other colleges than applicants with the same test scores. But that was dwarfed by the advantage they got at the school their parents attended.

Some people will say, ‘Legacy preferences are justified not because of legacy per se, just because these are really good students,’” said John N. Friedman, an economist at Brown and an author of the new paper. “And it is true that they have slightly higher admissions rates at the other schools. But most of this is coming just from the pure legacy preference itself at their own school.”
It has been well established that legacies have an advantage in elite college admissions. But the new data was the first to quantify it by analyzing internal admissions records.

“This isn’t about unqualified students getting in,” said Michael Hurwitz, who leads policy research at the College Board and has done research on legacy admissions that found similar patterns. “But when you’re picking a class out of a group of 10 times more qualified students than you can possibly admit, then a modest thumb on the scale translates into a fairly large statistical advantage.”

This preferential treatment has nothing to do with an applicant’s merit,” wrote Lawyers for Civil Rights, which filed the complaint with the Education Department. “Instead, it is an unfair and unearned benefit that is conferred solely based on the family that the applicant is born into. This custom, pattern and practice is exclusionary and discriminatory.

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