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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think it is not socially acceptable. It is a racist slur.  [/quote]

No, it is not. It's old fans remembering the glory days of Riggins, the Hogs, Jurgensen, even Theismann.  And most of all that snowy Sunday in 1972 in the old RFK stadium playing Dallas for the NFC Championship and the entire stadium shook.  What a glorious day that was!  Wear your Redskins paraphernalia with pride because the Commanders are losers in every way!

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I was there![/quote]

They went on to win the Superbowl but honestly, that NFC Championship game with Dallas was more important than the Superbowl! It brought this area together and everyone was so smiling and happy even a few Dallas fans.  Sonny Jurgensen, Sam Huff, and Frank Herzog with his signature line. "Touchdown Washington Redskins!" and the band played "'Hail to Redskins.  [b]Hail Victory[/b]. Braves on the warpath, fight for old DC."  My father had seats in the end zone and it was like a huge family there.

"Those were the days, my friend.  We thought they'd never end," but Jack Kent died and that cretin Snyder took over.

"Hail Victory" translates to "Sieg Heil" in German.  Was this song written by a supporter of the Third Reich? It sounds like it.

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Barnee Breeskin composed the music and Corinne  Griffith (wife of then Redskins owner George Preston Marshall) wrote the lyrics.  Neither was German.[/quote]

George Preston Marshall was an unapologetic racist. Would it be surpriseling if his wife was, also?

The song was written in 1937. Would it be shocking if "Hail Victory" wasn't slipped in on purpose? The timeline fits.[/quote]

I know nothing about any of those people, so I have no idea if they were racist.  However, connecting a song to Nazism because it contains the word “hail” is ridiculous.  While it may be an archaic term today, it used to be more prevalent and is found in other (non-Nazi) songs like:
Hail, Hail, the Gang’s All Here (1917)
Hail Columbia (1789)
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It's specifically "Hail Victory".  That is the literal translation of Sieg Heil" in English.   The song was written in 1937. Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in 1933. "Sieg Heil" was used at least as early as 1934, possibly earlier.

Could it be coincidence? Yes. However,  given the world events, at the time, and the self confessed racial sentiments of the owner of the team the song was written for, it's also quite possible it was slipped in on purpose.

Furthermore,  the original lyrics weren't "fight for old D.C."  It was "fight for Old Dixie."

In what way was Washington,  D.C. ever part of "Dixie"?  It wasn't.  It was the capital of the nation at war against "Dixie."

Yes. In some ways Washington, and it's environs, used to be somewhat Southern but it was never part of Dixie.[/quote]

DC was in the South, surrounded by Southern States. The Whitehouse was built by slaves. Get out of here with your revisionist history.[/quote]

What part of Washington, D.C. was the capital of the nation that fought against the Confederacy is revisionist history? I don't actually think you even understand what the phrase means.

Maryland had areas of Confederate sympathy but wasnt and isn't a "Southern" state. I'm from the South originally.  If I were to ask my friends and neighbors they would agree. Maryland is not Southern.  I understand some peckerwoods in PG, Charles and St. Mary's Counties like to think it is though.

By the time your precious song was written,  the war had long been over and the racist owner and his likely racist wife who wrote the song were Sieg Heiling and singing about dear Dixie from the capital that vanquished it.[/quote]

Maryland had slavery. Maryland was South of the Mason-Dixon line. It *was* a Southern State.

I gather you live in Maryland and desperately want your fantasy to be true. [/quote]

Think what you want. I'll just assume you are one of the peckerwoods from Southern Maryland.

Maryland still has zero to do with an unapologetic racist owner, and his likely racist song writing wife, writing a song about his team containing a Nazi salute, popular at the time it was written, and glorifying a slave holding white supremacist nation that didn't exist when they were alive.

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I'm not the one that brought up Maryland as a strange defense that DC was not in the South. DC was most certainly in the South and did participate in slavery. Any belief that DC was not in the South is mistaken. It doesn't matter if DC didn't secede from the Union. It was still in the South.

As far as your proof that the anthem is racist, you have a number of disconnected facts with nothing but pure speculation. The usage of hail in fight songs long predates Hitler's usage. [/quote]

You said DC was surrounded by Southern States . Maryland is not and was not Southern.  It is not in the South. Fine. It was a slave holding state. So was Delware, Kentucky and Missouri.  All were slave holding states but not Southern.

The owner was a virulent racist.  He marketed his all white team to racists.  You can put your head in the sand all you wish.

I heard it's corn dog day at the Blue Dog Saloon in Nanjemoy. Lucky you!

Good day.[/quote]

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