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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't think some of you have kids in the trenches. [b]My daughter and friends are all freshmen and most of them would be happy to date or hang out with any guy in the top 50% but no one asks them out or really pays them any attention. [/b]They go to darties or pre-game events and are ignored by the guys who just focus on the top 5%, STUNNING girls. There are easily 2-3  girls for every guy. Their academic lectures are generally 100+ and it's really hard to meet guys in those because no one talks pre or post lecture and they're not asking random girls out on their way out the door. Places like the gym are also 2:1 female. Then there are social and academic clubs but it's slow going there to meet anyone 1:1 and again a lot of girls.  My daughter would say yes to a date with a guy in a heartbeat (and has no interest in the top 10% guys or bro culture at all) but guys don't pay any attention to her because she's just one of a sea of girls. It's the same for her roommate, hallmates, etc. They're getting asked out either. Same for her friends at other schools. There are all large universities private/public (Michigan, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, UVA, Wisconsin, Boston College, etc). It's very hard out there if you are pretty, smart, well dressed but not the hottest in the room.  [/quote]

The guys don't because they have been told that they are creeps for asking girls out unless the girl gives over the top signals or has a friend explicitly mentioned their interest.

The othe poster is correct. The girls only want the top 5% guys look wise and ignore the regular guys.

I have boys currently in high school and guys who spent their teen years during the tail end of "Me Too" when it started to get so extreme and anti man instead of just anti predator men.

My current high schoolers and friends are experiencing none of this.  But my older boys, normal, smart, kind, normal attractive, have experiences closer to what I and other people described above.  Throw in needing to be perfect on social media and the latest push to not even talk to anyone who is remotely moderate or conservative (which includes the majority of young men) then you have what we have now.

Your daughter might not care if a guy is a far left as she is, but when everything they see online say that young women should not date or talk to non liberal guys, then this is the natural outcome.[/quote]

This is very true.  [/quote]

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