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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Beinart is also the editor of Jewish Currents magazine, which is a super-lefty socialist publication. Still an interesting conversation, but I wouldn't say that either of them are representative of mainstream American Jews.[/quote]
A lot of American Jews are lefties. Not sure why you don’t think these views are representative of a LOT of people. [/quote]
American Jews have been trending to the political right since October 7, largely over the far-left's anti-Israel stance. There is, of course, room to be horrified by the starvation in Gaza and oppose Netanyahu's government. I just don't think that Beinart and Stewart are good spokespeople to do that, because they aren't representative of mainstream American Jewish views (largely), so it's hard to take them seriously on this serious issue. I will listen to Jon Stewart all day long when he's talking about support for 9/11 first responders, or another subject that he is clearly passionate about and can speak with authority. But he's used his Judaism as the butt of a joke so often that when he invokes his Judaism for something serious, like Israel-Gaza, it just doesn't feel sincere.[/quote]
No, the American Jews that YOU associate with have become more right wing. Most of my Jewish friends are anti bibi and able to recognize that Israel is committing genocide.

These are not niche views. Maybe you need to chat with more Jews.[/quote]

He doesn't want to. He wants to stick his head in the sand and "just be Jewish" because he secretly likes what Bibi is doing. That's why he is on this thread protesting when sane people (Jewish or not) are condemning what is happening in Gaza right now. [/quote]

Ok...anyone can say they know what is going on in someone's head. I'll play--you like horses, but are too afraid to ride them! I know what you are thinking!

But regardless, people don't HAVE to agree with you that Israel needs to be destroyed. Their not agree with you is not a gotcha we have to be concerned about.[/quote]

I LOVE how you're showing your true colors the more you post. Nowhere did anyone say in this entire thread that Israel needs to be destroyed. No one!!! You took the criticism of what Bibi is doing as "Israel needs to be destroyed." Nowhere did Beinart or Stewart call for that either. I am (as are many others) saying Isral needs to stop killing and starving innocent children and people in Gaza. To you, those things are the same. The only way for Israel to exist is to destroy Gaza and all of the people living there. You are a terrible human. [/quote]

No, the point is, the suffering in Gaza would end  now if the movement wasn't using the suffering as evidence in their trial to prove that Israel needs to be destroyed. They don't want the war to stop today--if the people of Gaza were living in peace but Israel still existed as is, they would not be satisfied.[/quote]

That is a very convenient take. Kind of absolves Bibi and you for killing 50,000 people and children. It is also total crap. Israel wants Gaza destroyed. Israel wants West Bank destroyed and only Jews livng there. It's called ethnic cleansing. Apparently, you're totally ok with that. I'm not. Decent people are not ok with it. [/quote]

Well, while Gaza waits for Bibi to do whatever they think he should do, it can take immediate action to make its situation better. Why not. Of someone is slapping me and I have the ability to get myself out of the room of the slapper, I would, it would be stupid to stay there and remained slapped. Most times we can't change other people but we can change our own actions.[/quote]

This is a ludicrous assertion. Most of Gaza’s population is now homeless and living in tents in a small enclave in the south. What are they supposed to do to change things? The leaders of Hamas care exactly as much for civilians in Gaza as the leaders of Israel do: not at all. But Israel has the ability to end the deliberate starvation now, and it should do it regardless of what Hamas does or doesn’t do.

This isn’t just a political argument, there’s also a religious imperative: As my rabbi taught this past Shabbat, the Torah specifically says that if your enemy is hungry or thirsty, you give him food and water. (Let alone the many other religious imperatives Bibi has ignored, beginning with the idea that there is no higher mitzvah than to redeem captives, a goal he long ago abandoned even pretending to care about.) [/quote]

Not Jewish, but I love your Rabbi.[/quote]

She's great. [b]"End the starvation in Gaza and the war has needed to end for a long time" is, for what it's worth, now a mainstream American Jewish opinion[/b], despite what some people (on both sides of this horrific conflict) want others to believe about what Jews do or don't think about Israel.[/quote]
100%.

There's a weird section of people trying to push the narrative that American Jews are all RW zionist trumpers. I wonder what their ulterior motive is.[/quote]

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