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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Berkeley definitely has a wow factor but HYP have a bit more wow factor.[/quote]
“Wow” is not what comes to mind when I hear of a top student attending Berkeley oos.

“How” is the word that comes to mind. “How” could this process have been approached differently to get a better outcome?
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lol, are you for real? Poor Berkeley students attending some of best programs in the country when they could have gone straight to UVA.

Mind boggling how complete ignoramuses imagine themselves seers of wisdom! [/quote]

You are cherry picking rankings to make Berkeley look better than it is.

No question the undergrad experience at UVA is better than Berkeley.

State flagships tend to have an inflated reputation in their home state.  Are you living in California?  The rest of the country barely thinks about Berkeley at all.  You are out of touch with reality.[/quote]

Just so you know, opinions about Berkeley in California are probably as polarizing, if not more so, than OOS.  We are more familiar with many issues related to housing, class availability and toxic competition.  It isn’t romanticized.  I know 2 kids from my son’s class who got accepted to Berkeley and then got off the waitlist for UCLA and will go there instead.  It is a great fit for some but not others.  [/quote]Polarizing not for Cal's status as public, but because of the reasons you mentioned and the fact that it has been destination for strange people.   [/quote]

Who are those strange people? UC’s still end up having strong undergrad programs. It’s fine if you don’t like the culture or student life and decide something else is better for you.

At our good CA public high school about 30% of all students apply to Berkeley, and 3% get admitted (10-15), the numbers are similar for UCLA. That’s in line with the admission rate of about 10% for both Cal and UCLA. They are top students, the admission is very competitive.

HYPSM admission rate is about 5%, so they are more competitive, although some programs at Berkeley like MET (dual engineering and business degree) have admission rates below 3%. For comparison UVA admission rate is 17%.

The truth is plenty of students want to go to Berkeley in and out of state.[/quote]

This looks about right for good CA public schools. It also holds for most good privates as well with acceptances in line with the overall average for UCLA and UCB.

In my experience there is a difference between public and private in terms of who attends UCB. At most of the top bay area privates the very top students do not covet (or attend UCB or UCLA). They mostly target top privates as their first choice. My top 5% kid did this as well with no interest in attending UCB based on her experience living in the bay area and knowing who went from her school. The school CCs actually ask the very top kids not to apply to UCLA and UCB unless they are actually interested in attending because the acceptance rates never vary by more than a kid or two. The UCs seem to be much more attractive to top public school kids.[/quote]

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