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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think it’s hard for the ultra left-wing to hear this, but it’s one of the reasons why Democrats lost the last election.

Americans, people born in this country, feel like our institutions, including higher education, favor those born abroad over those born in our own country. It is a problem. Part of it does ring true. I say that as a lifelong Democrat. And it’s true for many institutions.

We don’t prioritize aid to the poorest parts of our country, but instead send it abroad. Look at what happened in the Carolinas after the hurricane? This isn’t rocket science and you can’t discount the anger that so many in the region felt. The USAID money that would go to a foreign hurricane ravaged area - like Haiti -should have been going to the Carolinas as well.

It works the same way with universities. We should be opening our doors to as many people from all parts of this country - in every university - at every level of selectivity. That should be our priority. Educating our people. Everything else should come second.

If we don’t realize that this is a real growing sentiment in the vast majority of American households, then you’ve lost the narrative. It’s not our responsibility to educate the world. They can still come here, and Silicon Valley will still entice them with jobs with legitimate H1-B visas. They’ll want those jobs since they’ll know that the only way their kids can go to college here is if they come and work in those tech jobs (and those kids are born here).

This isn’t xenophobic. It’s America first. And most voters, including liberal voters, actually agree. Feed ourselves first. It’s like the oxygen mask on a plane….
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This! Exactly this! The rise of International Undergraduate students at top public universities is absolutely insane. Look at the University of California which was tuition free for the first 100 years. It has gradually become more and more expensive which makes it harder for middle class families to afford particularly after FAFSA no longer offers the sibling discount. Instead of appropriately funding the Univ of CA for California residents, the top UCs have been taking more and more international students because they pay more. CA taxes should go toward UCs so the CA residents don't lose the opportunity to attend to foreign students.

So let's say you have two parents who work as teachers, nurses, police you make about 200,000 a year in household income in CA, Your kid has to attend a public schools because you can't afford private school. Class sizes in many CA public high school have 40 students, kids have been taught poorly and not allowed to accelerate - thanks to programs from University College of Education professors like Lucy Calkins (anti-phonics idiot) and Jo Boaler - who advocates no math tracking, no math timed tests, and delaying algebra until high school. Now it is time to apply to the UC schools and you realize you have to pay $45K for EACH child you have in college - so that's 90K if you have twins or kids close in age because you get ZERO dollars in financial aid.

So you somehow figure out to pay and then your realize so many seniors are getting rejected or waitlisted from even the mid-tier UCs. Then you look at the stats and realize WTF?

1,031 international freshman students enrolled at the University of Davis. These students are primarily rich Chinese. California freshman enrollment was 5326. In the year 2000 there were only 36 international students enrolling as freshman. In 2010 there were only 50.

At UC San Diego in 2000 there were only 15 international undergrads, by 2010 that number was 127. It rose to 1206 by 2015 while CA residents were 3706!

There are another 1,000 freshman students at UC Irvine.

If you include all undergraduate and graduate students the number of international students at each campus:  UC Berkeley 12,441, UC San Diego with 10,467 and UCLA with 10,446.  That just isn't right. [/quote]

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I'm also against much of what the Trump admin stand for but the failure to see this sentiment is why the left-ish side is losing.  I also want my American kids to have a better chance to life the American dream - defined as a better life than their parents.  Downward mobility for those born here is real.  The American dream is for those coming to take the spots at top universities and get the better jobs.[/quote]

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