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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Colleges want out of state kids hoping to lure in talent that will stay post graduation and improve their state. This is especially true of graduate school. I don’t see that happening with international students who take that education back home. If they want to pay on their dime that’s fine but taxpayer dollars flowing to private universities in particular should prioritize citizen students. [/quote]

The vast majority of international students are full-pay.[/quote]

Why not take more American full pay instead??[/quote]

I think people like you need to understand two important things:

1) Most int'l students are full pay--and subsidize American students, especially at public institutions where they pay out-of-state rates. According to the Institute of International Education, nearly 67% of international students pay for tuition out of pocket from personal or family sources. At public universities, international students often pay higher tuition rates than in-state students, effectively subsidizing the cost of education for domestic students. My own DC's two closest friends at a state flagship university are full-pay foreign students paying around $70,000 for tuition and living expenses per year.

2) Most foreign students are not going to highly competitive colleges like Harvard (where, as many of you have implied, they are taking precious spots from American students--newsflash, your kid is STILL not going to get in to Harvard, even if no more foreign students are accepted). While Ivy League institutions do enroll international students, they constitute a relatively small percentage of the student body. A larger proportion of international students attend public universities and less selective private institutions. Many have come just for ESL programs, which is a moneymaker for colleges. [/quote]

And what you need to understand is those students are not Americans.  They can be full pay in their own country.  We've hosted enough.  They come here a protest the government - similar to me being invited to dinner at my neighbors and complaining about they way they run their home.  The students are smart, they can be smart in their own country.[/quote]

Much of the benefit of attending an institution like Harvard comes from the students who surround you, who come from all over the country, all over the world, and many different walks of life. Homogeneity doesn't make for a great university.

Many foreign grad students who get jobs at US universities invent things that make the US economy more competitive. That's one of the reasons we have a dynamic economy.

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Nah, the rate of foreigner has dramatically increased in the last 50 years or so.  Harvard was still just as good with fewer foreigners and more Americans.  The world would be better of those people stayed in their own country got a great education and invented those things abroad boosting their economies.  America would be better for it their countries would be better for it.  Win-win.[/quote]

Agree. It’s like with other things it just went too far.[/quote]

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