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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/dog-auction-rescue-groups-donations/

“An effort that animal rescuers began more than a decade ago to buy dogs for $5 or $10 apiece from commercial breeders has become a nationwide shadow market that today sees some rescuers, fueled by Internet fundraising, paying breeders $5,000 or more for a single dog.

The result is a river of rescue donations flowing from avowed dog saviors to the breeders, two groups that have long disparaged each other. The rescuers call many breeders heartless operators of inhumane “puppy mills” and work to ban the sale of their dogs in brick-and-mortar pet stores. The breeders call “retail rescuers” hypocritical dilettantes who hide behind nonprofit status while doing business as unregulated, online pet stores.

But for years, they have come together at dog auctions where no cameras are allowed, with rescuers enriching breeders and some breeders saying more puppies are being bred for sale to the rescuers.

Bidders affiliated with 86 rescue and advocacy groups and shelters throughout the United States and Canada have spent $2.68 million buying 5,761 dogs and puppies from breeders since 2009 at the nation’s two government-regulated dog auctions, both in Missouri, according to invoices, checks and other documents The Washington Post obtained from an industry insider.”

But even if a rescue is not doing this, they are shipping tons of irresponsibly bred pit and hound mix puppies, mostly, from the South all the time to be “adopted” up here. Once you’ve created a pipeline like that, what is the incentive for southern states to prevent the breeding of those puppies? Why would they make any policy changes?

At the same time, they’re telling people not to buy dogs from breeders. But they’re not articulating any sort of plan for how people should acquire pets if the southern states got their acts together. And the reputable breeders aren’t doing anything to help people find them, in fact they seem determined to make it as hard as possible. 
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Anything more recent on the topic? Or maybe you can name any of the local rescues that part of that group of 86?[/quote]

I got my wonderful dog from Lucky Dog, in recent years. They had like 20 pit mix puppies outside a petsmart and they were touting their facility in SC.  And listen, I like dogs! I like rescues! But it makes no sense to me to say Amish puppies are unethical but a pipeline of pit bull puppies from SC is virtuous just because one is a business and one is a non-profit, unless the non-profit sees the 20 pitbulls outside a Petsmart as a temporary, necessary, problematic stop gap on the way to a more sustainable system to generate healthy pets. But I see no evidence that they see it that way. [/quote]
It seems like there are just a bunch of pit bulls who haven’t been spayed or neutered. They multiply unfettered and there’s such an oversupply, there aren’t enough buyers for that many puppies. They proliferate because their owners aren’t incentivized to prevent it from happening.

However, the Amish are breeding their dogs on purpose for a profit. Both the pit bulls owners and the Amish are responsible for unethical breeding, [b]but the Amish would stop if they weren’t turning a profit. If people didn’t buy from Amish puppy mills, there wouldn’t be any.[/b] [/quote]
This, +100
Meanwhile, rescues like Lucky dogs don't provide any incentives to unethical/irresponsible/accidental pitbull breeders, moreover they fund/promote spaying/neutering of household pets. If people stopped adopting from rescues - it would not affect actions of the stupid people who simply don't neuter their pets.[/quote]

But having a pipeline of pit bull puppies to the northeast relieves pressure on the southern states to deal with the problem. What’s the incentive to reduce the number of puppies when they get swept off to be family pets?[/quote]
The south has a way to reduce the number of excess dogs, but bleeding hearts don’t like it. People from up north arranged to have the dogs shipped up here because the solution in the south was to euthanize excess dogs they couldn’t adopt out.[/quote]

I’ve often thought they should just pay people in the south cash on the barrel to get their dogs fixed.  I’ve stopped donating to the shelters around here but would donate to a group that just pays people to spay/neuter their dogs in the south. [/quote]

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