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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The other thread on this has been eye-opening.

I'm beginning to see how Trump won. He's a voice for the marginalized and straight white dudes now see themselves that way due to overzealous DEI practices.

I find some DEI practices a bit too restrictive.[b] We had a female employee give notice and to maintain a "good ratio" on our team, my supervisor said the new hire had to be a woman. So boobs > qualifications, cool.[/b] [/quote]

I think it's situations like this, which happen, that have created a narrative for some portion of the population that white men (and sometimes white women too) are victims.

In many parts of life - working class jobs, college admissions, professional jobs - we have been told out loud that white people's piece of the pie needs to be smaller in whatever way we can make it happen.  This is because their piece of the pie was way too big.  But the white people alive right this minute in this time, they FEEL and they PERCEIVE that they are being squeezed out.  And isn't life all about perceptions?  They perceive their piece of the pie is shrinking (and maybe it is) and there is the same number of them and they're scrambling for someone to blame and an answer and a way to keep the piece of the pie for themselves and most importantly, their children.

I think this is important to talk about if we want to understand the rise of Trump.  Dismissing it as "insane" is at our own peril.[/quote]

First of all, the idea of limited resources is a fallacy.

Also, if you only feel comfortable discussing things with the concept that there are limited resources than the people, you should have a problem with other people that eat so much pie they are throwing up and have to give it to Africa because they have so much… billionaires.[/quote]

Not getting it.  It’s how people feel and what they see in their own lives.  I got into Ivy school and my white kid cant.  I’m up for promotion or prestigious thing and it never goes to a white person.  People are telling you this in this thread and then the response is oh you’re wrong.  Then people feel gaslit and they’re pissed.

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Black people are not gatekeeping your child’s ability to get into an Ivy League school.

You realize that’s athletes and children of billionaires.

We are not gaslighting you we are telling you facts. [b]The fact is your white male child did not get into an Ivy League school because an Asian, a white athlete, and a rich kid got ahead of him.[/b]

If you wanted him to get in, you should’ve done better and bought a building for the school.[/quote]

NP:  no, now you really are gaslighting, PP.

Look: we all know for the majority of the US’s history, it was impossible or nearly so, for a Black person to get into many universities other than HBCUs (which why HBCUs even exist, as we all know).

But you are gaslighting when you try to deny that colleges are often reluctant to admit equally-qualified white applicants and businesses are reluctant to hire many, if any, white applicants.

It’s racism and it’s real.  If you need to, call it “reverse racism.”  Or call it discrimination or race-based discrimination, if it makes you feel better.  But the fact remains:

- racism is real.  Stop defending racism.[/quote]

Both of my white boys have gotten into multiple colleges and gotten prestigious internships and jobs in the last 4 years. I’m just not seeing it. Have they gotten into every college or gotten an offer for every single job or internship? No. [/quote]

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