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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't understand how most Americans don't go to college. I really don't. This country has so much opportunity if you are someone who values education and strives for a better life. I think of the fact that public schools encourage reading, that may sound trivial but public schools in the Arab world absolutely do not. And libraries are not commonly used. Just by reading a low income or low middle class child can develop skills to have a better understanding of the world. And through scholarships can get into good schools. Again with the Arab world comparison because that is what I know best--do you think a bright low income kid over there can get into a good school? Very very hard.

Americans don't realize how good they have it. And the American culture of contempt toward educated elites is part of the reason someone like Trump was able to win. I remember reading a Vance interview where he said McDonald's should hire young American men through better wages and I just rolled my eyes. Yeah sure, these hordes of young unemployed white men are dying to work at McDonald's if only they could get 15 bucks an hour. No, they want high-paying jobs being a foreman at a factory or something. And they are angry at their lawyer cousin who was smart to get out of Oklahoma or whatever and make a good life for themselves in DC or NY.[/quote]

Because they are not getting low paying McDonald's jobs. They are making $100K+/year without college.

Also, even a state school will run you $120K for 4 years and most poeple can't afford that, actually most can't afford to not work for 4 years. [/quote]

Student loans are available. That is not something easily accessible to young people in other parts of the world. If they are making that kind of money without college then why are they so angry? [/quote]

They are angry because people like you think they only job they can get is McDonalds and if you look at them your body language shows them you assume they are trash and racist. [/quote]

No, I don't think they are racist. I think what's contemptible about them is that they are anti-education, and that's what makes them trash. I think they have opportunities unfathomable to most young men around the world and are angry because high paying blue collar jobs are harder to come by than 30 years ago. [/quote]

Again the assumptions you make about people that go to college is elitist and incorrect.

They are not "anti-education" but they have decided they would rather be educated in a different way. [b]Someone who is a farmer can teach you more about the economy, climate change, pesticides in food, supply chain, etc than any college graduate. [/b]

You actually don't understand why they are mad. [/quote]

That's not right. If they aren't educated, they only have one perspective--the farming perspective. You don't need to have gone to a top-10 university, but the point of higher education is to broader your perspective, to learn how other people do things, to learn how things have been done historically, how they have changed, and why, to learn how different forces (political, religious, historical, cultural, natural) have brought us to where we are today. It's hard to get that perspective if you stay in one place, with the same group of people, doing the same kinds of things your whole life. Even harder if you even refuse to consider certain points of view or examine your own assumptions and biases. [/quote]

You think farmers sit on their little farm and never read books, use the internet, go to training, get USDA grants, attend USDA education sessions, talk to experienced farmers, go to conferences, connect with Cooperative Extension, attend non-profit events?

Their education is broader than most college educated people.

There isn't anything more political than farming... grants from USDA, paid to not farm, incentive to grow certain crops, tax breaks and incentives.

You have got to sit back and listen instead of talk on this subject. [/quote]

I'm not saying farmers don't learn about farming (and everything you listed above isn't a broad education, its a deep education in one subject). I'm saying its important to cover the gen ed topics as well. It's hard to understand anyone who is not like you if you literally have never heard anything from that perspective before. People used to read a lot more extensively in high school, we don't even do that anymore (thanks Republicans!). [/quote]

again, your ignorance... sit down

They probably know the immigration system better than you and have more South American immigrant friends/workers in one season that you do in a lifetime.

Nobody knows everybody perspective, but they have a perspective [b]you also clearly don't understand.[/b] They don't live in a cave, they are just as educated as you it's just an organic type of education instead of butt in seat from ignorant professors who would rather be writing a paper. [/quote]

As someone else said upthread, "farmers" is probably a bad example. Let's discuss your typical non-college educated blue-collar Trump voter who is anti-elite. Who doesn't appear to understand how the federal government works, what the scientific method is, how diversity contributes to communities, why authoritarianism has historically been problematic, why a strong independent media is important to sustaining strong democratic institutions, and so on. The kinds of concepts you learn from study, writing, and discussion of history, literature, economics, political science, social science, and hard science. [/quote]

Why?

Why must we discuss that?

Why not talk about the educated white men and women living in Montgomery County, Maryland or Fairfax County, VA who voted for Trump.... ones with no diversity in their lives and think their gay son is going to burn in he!! or their gay daughter has been infected by wokism.

You realize there is a large % of people who can't learn in the traditional manner of college. Talking about diversity, how many friends do you have with an IQ of 100 or below?[/quote]

DP. Do you know your friends' IQs? I don't. I'd have no way to answer this question without making a lot of assumptions about my friends.[/quote]

If they are college educated it’s above 100.[/quote]

Possibly, although the average IQ of college graduates is barely above average (102). What about my friends who aren't college educated. Do I assume their IQs are under 100? That's an assumption with a lot of problems.[/quote]

You can pretend that you don’t know the general IQ of your friends by just talking to them. You can be the reality is you live in a bubble?

The greatest common denominator for Trump voters. It’s not their education level, even though there is a correlation the greatest common denominator is that they’re religious and they believe propaganda..

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