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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]I'll bite. Biden-Harris are actively looking for a cease fire and a two-state solution. They are also trying to get aid into Gaza. Trump supports Netanyahu's push to simply eradicate the Palestinians in Gaza all together (finish the job) and we also know Jared owns the rights to develop new beachfront property in Gaza. [/quote] If Biden and Harris have not been able to arrange a ceasefire in a year, they are either incompetent or they are not really trying. As a result, either by design or incompetence, they are allowing Netanyahu to simply eradicate the Palestinians (have you been paying attention to the current expulsion of all Palestinians from northern Gaza?) and, if not Jared, someone else will soon be developing Gaza's beach front property. [/quote] Jeff, have you missed all of the admission that Trump has been interfering in this?[/quote] The fact that Netanyahu was willing to sink Biden's, and by extension Harris', political future has been obvious from day one. The fact that Biden and Harris have not acted accordingly is sheer incompetence and suggests that they may not be all that upset about what is happening. If you have read any of my blog posts about the Middle East situation, you will know that I firmly believe that Netanyahu has personal motivations to continue the war infinitely. If I am correct, Netanyahu doesn't need Trump's encouragement. He would be acting the same regardless. The failure is by Biden and Harris is agreeing to pursue Netanyahu's interests instead of their own. [/quote] We agree on everything but....what exactly could Biden do differently to bring a cease fire if Netanyahu was never going to agree to one? and particularly when Trump is providing promises and a ballast to the global pressure Netanyahu was/is otherwise facing?[/quote] Biden leads the government of the most powerful country in the world. I refuse to believe that he is powerless against the leader of a country that is completely beholden to us. Ask yourself what Trump would do if he wanted a ceasefire? Would he also be powerless? Biden could have just stopped weapons shipments until Netanyahu agreed with his demands. Biden would have to be prepared to withstand the domestic backlash, but once he became a lame duck that shouldn't have been hard. What does he have to lose? [/quote] This strikes me as remarkably similar to Trump's pitch on foreign policy-- hey the US is rich andighty and if we just have a strongman with a willingness to "do what it takes" [something never clearly articulated] we can fix foreign issues through bullying and negotiation. I think it's a dangerous argument that also happens to be naive. Basically the only way Biden gets a ceasefire without Bibi's cooperation (which he won't give) is via international cooperation including with regional actors. How does Biden do that in an election year where there is zero guarantee that any deal Biden brokers will be followed through by Trump? Meanwhile Trump is committed to bring keeping a deal WITH Bibi and I have zero faith that will result in a positive result for Palestinians or Lebanon. You appear to be arguing that if Harris loses it will be Biden's fault for failing to broker a peace deal in Mideast. I'm sorry, I oppose the pro-Israel position as well but I can't cosign that logic. Harris isn't great or even good on this issue but she's better than Trump and that's enough for me and I think it should be enough for others. Tanking Harris gets us nowhere.[/quote] I hope Harris wins. I hope she wins Michigan. But the suggestion that the world's most powerful politician is helpless against Netanyahu is just not believable. I don't think it takes a dictator or even a "strongman". The U.S. holds all the cards. We have diplomats who should be capable of giving Netanyahu a message that is not misunderstood. If we don't have such diplomats, we need to get some. Not everything has to be publicly announced. There must be a million ways that Biden can put pressure on Netanyahu and still have plausible deniability. For that matter, U.S. law clearly says that we cannot provide arms to countries that are interfering with the delivery of humanitarian aid. Recently Biden sent a letter to Israel warning that in 30 days he may have to follow that law. That conveniently puts things past the election. Biden really doesn't have to wait 30 days. He should give a three day deadline. Biden's alleged helplessness is not believable and it should be humiliating to him. It should be humiliating to all of us and we shouldn't stand for it. [/quote] DP. Biden isn’t helpless against Netanyahu. No American President is going to side with Iran/Hamas. Iran is an enemy. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Hamas attack Israel and they have the right to defend themselves. [/quote]
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