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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If these were comparable schools, they would enroll comparable students.  Let's see:

UMich class of 2027:

https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/factsfigures/firstyearsprofile_umaa.pdf

102 national merit finalists out of 7500 freshman

SAT: 1350 to 1530
ACT: 31 to 34

Cornell (least selective ivy stats from 3 years ago):

https://irp.dpb.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Profile2021-first-year.pdf

SAT range: 1450 to 1540
ACT: 33 to 35

Duke:

SAT: 1520 to 1570
ACT: 34 to 35

https://admissions.duke.edu/our-students/

119 national merit finalists out of 1700 freshman

Keep telling yourself it's close[/quote]

This thread is about a ranking of the quality of universities, not the SAT scores of undergrads. That some of you conflate the two goes a long way to explaining your frustration.[/quote]

and quality has a lot to do with the quality of students that get enrolled. after all, smarter peers result in more challenging curriculums being taught and association with smarter classmates [/quote]

Except these rankings are mostly about graduate schools, where SATs do not matter.  Grad students are a different kettle of fish. [/quote]

And research, which gets a huge amount of weight in the rankings. Because, ya know, “research universities.” It’s sort of their thing.
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Then we agree.  These rankings are not a reflection of undergrad rank.[/quote]

Times higher education is the most comprehensive ranking there is.  It’s a reflection of universities as whole. About 40 percent of the methodology directly gauges teaching and learning environment.  Research is also what gives universities their reputation and prestige, and that’s ultimately whats you’re paying for.  You can learn CS at a bootcamp [/quote]

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