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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If these were comparable schools, they would enroll comparable students.  Let's see:

UMich class of 2027:

https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/factsfigures/firstyearsprofile_umaa.pdf

102 national merit finalists out of 7500 freshman

SAT: 1350 to 1530
ACT: 31 to 34

Cornell (least selective ivy stats from 3 years ago):

https://irp.dpb.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Profile2021-first-year.pdf

SAT range: 1450 to 1540
ACT: 33 to 35

Duke:

SAT: 1520 to 1570
ACT: 34 to 35

https://admissions.duke.edu/our-students/

119 national merit finalists out of 1700 freshman

Keep telling yourself it's close[/quote]

This thread is about a ranking of the quality of universities, not the SAT scores of undergrads. That some of you conflate the two goes a long way to explaining your frustration.[/quote]

and quality has a lot to do with the quality of students that get enrolled. after all, smarter peers result in more challenging curriculums being taught and association with smarter classmates [/quote]

Except these rankings are mostly about graduate schools, where SATs do not matter.  Grad students are a different kettle of fish. [/quote]

And research, which gets a huge amount of weight in the rankings. Because, ya know, “research universities.” It’s sort of their thing.
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Then we agree.  These rankings are not a reflection of undergrad rank.[/quote]

I agree that they are a ranking of the overall quality of a university, which includes but is not limited to undergraduate experience.[/quote]

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