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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They count with winning the division! The ultimate goal is for a trophy for these kids, not rising to another division!!!![/quote]

That's great and all.  So the team that wins the division moves up (and gets trophy), but a team that had its a$$ handed to it most of the season also moves up?  Part of the victory in winning the division is moving up, while teams that you beat don't move up.  Selecting who moves up based on meets that were never swum are wrong.

Anyone know if the virtual meet calculation is a holdover from the covid-19 pandemic?[/quote]

They’ve been seeding via virtual meets for decades. [/quote]

Thanks.  However, it seems to be a relatively unknown fact among many parents.  It's certainly not something posted prominently on the MCSL Divisional standings page (as opposed to a very prominent Division Standings page with points and ranks for meets, carnival and divisionals).

What doesn't seem right is that a team that wins only 1-2 meets out of 5 could still move up a division (while a 3-2 team doesn't), and a team that wins 0 out of 5 could stay in its division.[/quote]

Then blame your coach. Whenever we move divisions the coaches explain why and how the determination is made. It’s not a secret.[/quote]

This!  I’ve known this since my now 18 yr old was roughly 10.  Now you know too.  It actually doesn’t mean it’s not still fun to win dual meets it is! It’s fun to win Relays, go to All Stars, or just race your teammate or your own PR.  The division doesn’t matter. My kids have competed in Divisions A-J over the years.  It’s all fun and it’s a bit silly to get hung up on How the Divisions are assigned. . . [/quote]

DP - newer families don’t know this yet, and that’s okay.  Not every coach explains it as clearly as yours apparently does.  It’s confusing to *children* how they can win every dual meet *and* Divisionals and still not move up.  Children are not adults.  Moreover, multiple things can be true: MCSL is over complicating things, and Divisions have to be assigned somehow, and it’s confusing for kids, and it’s still fun to win.

There are more than two outcomes than either smugly being above it all or being a silly goose who should know better.[/quote]

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