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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year? [/quote]

More like [i]40k[/i] more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...[/quote]

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state.   It isn’t and therein lies the problem. [/quote]
Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for. [/quote]

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does.  Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms. [/quote]
It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids![/quote]

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan.  Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states.  UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.  
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UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others. [/quote]

UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres.  UCLA has 419.  UCLA has nearly 2X as many students.  UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.  [/quote]

Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.[/quote]

I am not saying UVA should significantly grow.  I am just saying the argument that there is no land is hollow.[/quote]

I think UVA wants to maintain the Academical Village concept as much as possible. Spreading everyone out too far and wide is sort of antithetical to the spirit of the place.[/quote]

Then why did UVA expand from the original Academical Village? [/quote]

I don’t know, probably because a bunch of crazy NoVa parents kept bugging them.[/quote]

UVA can and will expand if doing so serves institutional needs such as developing North Grounds for Darden and law. More undergraduates from Nova don't necessarily help UVA. Folks need to understand undergraduate education is far from the priority at R1's. [/quote]

Undergraduates subsidize graduate programs (although not areas like law or business) and research.[/quote]

That doesn't mean UVA needs [i]more[/i] undergraduates. In fact, more would be a net loss if it requires housing to be built, adjuncts to be hired, expansion of dining/health services, etc. [/quote]

It is a tug of war between growing larger to increase revenue and support research and graduate programs, etc., and staying smaller so that selectivity is higher for USNWR, etc.[/quote]

If UVA needed such revenue they would expand. Clearly they are doing remarkably well with their endowment, donations and research grants. [/quote]

UVA is doing an excellent job of keeping the school financially healthy. UVA is one of the only four universities in US with AAA-rated bonds. How many state schools are running into financial crisis? West Virginia, Rutgers, ...[/quote]

It isn't that UVA isn't financially healthy, it is that greater size would provide financial support for better research and graduate programs more like Berkeley, Michigan, etc.

I am not saying UVA should grow.  I am just saying there is a model for a U.S. public research university that is internationally competitive across the board and those institutions are closer to 2X the size of UVA.[/quote]

Why should a public university in Virginia care about research at Cal or Michigan let alone international opinions? [/quote]

DP. Seriously? These institutions are all competing to attract top talent, which in turn brings more grant money, bigger, better research, and more prestige.[/quote]

When did UVA announce this is their priority? Post your sources. [/quote]

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