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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not  having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.[/quote]

This is the real issue.  People are getting abortions late for reasons OTHER than birth defects or health of mother.  [/quote]

OP again.  This is the claim I’d like to fact-check.

How many third-trimester terminations are for reasons OTHER THAN birth defects or physical health of the mother?

No has answered that yet.[/quote]

DP I think the simple answer to your question is that nobody knows because nobody is keeping track of this data. [/quote]

OP again.  Thx.

Sadly, people littered this thread with political statements even after I said not to.  And while some information has been shared (thx again),  we still do not have facts, which makes debating this kinda pointless.

My guess is you are probably right: no one is keeping track of this data.

If so, there really is no reliable answer to my question: how many third-trimester terminations are purely elective.

Unless someone can post some actual data in answer to my question, there’s no longer much point to anyone posting (again: stop posting political responses! This is about ascertaining basic facts. That’s all).[/quote]

Heres my thing OP. Your obsession with elective is clouding the fact there are REAL reasons to have a 3rd trimester abortion. And by focusing on elective, which OB/GYNs dont do in 3rd trimester, you take from women who are experiencing real pain and loss. Its grotesque. And you WANT to find elective people so that you can say well if there are 4 people having elective abortions then no one should get it because deep down you dont actually agree with abortion.

People dont have 25-35k and weeks off. Every fed employee who has fed insurance wouldnt be able to get it covered and is unable to get any abortion covered.

And people who want an elective abortion will find a back alley provider or conduct infanticide. You arent thinking rationally. Rationally, someone who wants to abort a fetus- ELECTIVELY- will find a way to do it or will kill an unwanted child because no one grows a fetus in their belly and electively says No, put me under, kill a healthy child, heres 30k  plus 1-2 weeks to recover.

Theres your rational answer and facts. 
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Your response is NOT a factual response to the request for mathematical data this thread is premised upon.

Why couldn’t you simply have said: “I do not know the answer. Here’s my opinion?”[/quote]

And furthermore, you don’t know me.  My sibling had an abortion.  My ex had an abortion.  I offered to accompany a close friend to her scheduled PP appointment and promised to hold her hand during a termination and help get her through it (she miscarried prior to the appt though).

Why do so many of you fail to read / comprehend ?  I AM PRO CHOICE!!

What I’m asking is a simple FACTUAL question about 3rd Trimester / 27 weeks-numbers, WITHOUT politics, but instead all I get is opinions and politics.

If you don’t know, don’t post.

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You have gotten plenty of answers on that. Why don’t you respond to them?[/quote]

So: you don’t know the answer.

Why did you respond to a question with a question?  Still no data?  [/quote]

Why did you ignore this post?

“KFF:

While very limited contemporary data exists on this issue, a study from 1992 estimated 0.02% of all abortions occurred after 26 weeks gestation [b](320 to 600 cases per year)[/b].

https://www.kff.org/women...dobbs-era/“

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Because shes asking for elective. The data you provided likely includes elective and medically necessary. [/quote]

So elective ranges from 320 to 600, probably less as has been covered in great detail here. What difference will it make to know the exact number in what is already an infinitesimal number of all abortions performed? [/quote]

You are obviously not a scientist or social scientist and you have no idea how to comprehensively read.  320-600 is NOT the elective range.  That is the total of ALL abortions performed after 26 weeks in 1992, when the number of pregnancies was a out 150% higher than today and when the number of abortions per 100K live births was also higher.

If there were 320-600 abortions after 26 weeks in 1992, then that would correspond to about 190-360 abortions (TOTAL) in 2023.  And we assume at least 75% of those abortions were medically necessary for the health or life of the mother or because the baby's chance of life without pain or torment or quality of life would be zero or negative.  So, we are looking at more like 45-90 out of probably over 4M pregnancies per year.  That corresponds to 0.001% - 0.002% of pregnancies annually.  That's between 1/1000 and 2/1000 of a percent of all pregnancies.  This seems like an awfully small percentage of actual pregnancies and a much, much smaller percentage than the number of women whose life, health or fertility are threatened by draconian rules imposed because doctors cannot sort out the legal instances where they can legally recommend abortion without risking their medical license and possibly jail time for assisting with an abortion.  This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  You will kill many more pregnant mothers than you will save infants that have medical issues that they have a small percentage chance to survive past their infancy.

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