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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Quick glance as a ward 4 parent; Takoma and Whittier not offering one spot so far for PK3 is remarkable. [/quote]

Shepherd hasn't offered one waitlist spot in any grade.[/quote]

Shepherd feeds to Deal and JR.  Not the same as Whittier and Takoma.  It is pretty remarkable those two schools didn’t offer a waitlist spot to any PK3 yet.  [/quote]

Not really.  Lots of families these days use ECE spots at their IB or any other schools.  The real differentiator is upper elementary and percentages of IB families that stay thru upper elementary thru 4th.[/quote]

Ward 3 families need to stop saying this. We're an upper elementary family leaving our EOTP IB this year ONLY because of the middle school feed. I would LOVE if DCs could stay through fifth at our elementary, but when lottery gold strikes, you have to take it. I'm really sad to leave our school and DCs will be devastated when they find out, but the reality is that there are many nice elementary schools in this city that feed into very less nice middle and high schools, and middle class families that can't afford private have to play the lottery and take the opportunity when it comes. [/quote]

You are leaving just as Pp said.[/quote]

Don't be dense. There's a big difference between using your IB pre-K as free daycare and deciding to stay for first, second, third grade. The ONLY "real differentiator" at many EOTP schools is the middle school feeder pattern. There are plenty of schools in DC, if you're there in second and leaving in fourth, it's because you feel like you HAVE to, not because you want to.[/quote]

Sure but you are not the majority.  The data says it all and the overwhelming majority of higher SES IB families at these poorly performing EOTP schools are not staying at their IB schools past K/1st.  There is a big exodus and by 2nd, it’s a few families.  Just look at the makeup of your 2nd, 3rd grade classes compared to ECE.

The one exception is Capitol Hill schools where majority do stay thru 4th at least.[/quote]

Can you provide a link to this data?[/quote]

It doesn't really exist. Audited enrollment numbers will give number of students by grade, number of students by race, and number of students by at-risk designation, but it doesn't give at-risk/race by grade. You can kind of get a sense of the PK3-2nd and 3rd-5th split looking at PARCC data totals by at-risk/race, but at individual grade levels the data is often suppressed.

I think PP may have literally meant "look." Not really a great basis for making sweeping generalizations.[/quote]

I think the PK3-2nd vs. PARCC grade demographics tells you quite a bit. [/quote]

Not knowing the distribution within in those grade bands limits its practical utility.

For example, at our IB 3rd-5th is about 60% economically disadvantaged. But working around data suppression (not possible at all schools), the actual distribution is 47% in 3rd, 64% in 4th, and 73% in 5th.[/quote]

Not really.  If you want to know if there are high SES families which everyone knows is proxy for white in this town, just look at demographics.

20% at risk is the magic number.  Anything above that and it’s going to affect academic performance in general so if you are 50% or 75%, you are way above that threshold..  Also, DC defines at risk in the extreme as homeless, SNAP, etc….  There are lots of lower, poor SES families who don’t fall in the at risk category. 
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What are you basing this 20% threshold on?

The list of EotP elementary schools that fit this criteria is very short: Ross, Brent, AppleTree LP, O-A, Stokes Brookland, Shepherd, LAMB, MV C8, SWS, DC Wildflower, Maury, YY, Peabody, LEARN, Lee Brookland, L-T, Bancroft.[/quote]

There have been studies looking at the at risk percentages in a classroom and how it affects the performance of different groups of low and high performers.   BTW FCPS also conducted their own study some years ago in their school system and also came up with 20%.[/quote]

Would be interested if you have links. I'm curious how performance is defined and what the degree of impact is.[/quote]

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