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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Eat healthy. Exercise. Done. [/quote]

Yup.  This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.[/quote]

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol [/quote]

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point  :roll:  :roll:

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.[/quote]

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free. [/quote]

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better? [/quote]

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.[/quote]

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss." [/quote]

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug. [/quote]

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines.  Perhaps they should simply "try harder".  Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health.  I am taking Wegovy.  Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size.  I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine.  The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits.  We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way.  Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight.  It isn't a moral issue.  But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead.  It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.[/quote]

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.”  “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.”  “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.”  “Just relax.  It’s not that bad”.  Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s.  Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power.  Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what?  It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives.  And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness.   And, now, it’s obesity.  And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why?  Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me.  Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy.  Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…[/quote]

NP, but telling people the TRUTH, that many of the issues you cited are in fact within your control to manage or cure without any drugs or medical interventions, is NOT the same thing as telling people that suffering from any of those conditions is a moral failing. You are projecting judgement when you are simply being offered good advice.[/quote]

This is one of my biggest pet peeves on social media. You are not telling THE TRUTH. You are stating your misinformed opinion but you believe in your BS so HARD that you think it's the truth. It's an opinion. An uneducated one. So maybe go get a medical degree, spend a year reading research on these drugs and how to treat obesity and secondary diseases that accompany it, or simply STFU.[/quote]

I’m sorry, you clearly have a lot more issues than obesity to be so filled with hate and rage.  But no, “eating fewer calories than you burn will cause weight loss” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth).  “Keeping busy physically to keep you out of your own head all day will help with depression and anxiety” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth).  And on and on.

I think the fundamental problem is that when you “try” these things and it’s not an INSTANT fix you decide it “doesn’t work”.  That’s why you want pills and injections, because the sustained effort required to deal with these issues yourself is difficult.[/quote]

DP. You have serious issues with wanting to control other people. My guess is you are projecting. You’re so terrified that you will lose control that you have to lash out at people who are doing something that you cannot admit you want - avail yourself of an easy solution to a problem. At some point you internalized a message that being thin is a moral mandate and it terrifies you to be faced with people who don’t see it that way. Because if you lose the security of knowing you are good because you are thin, what else is left for you?[/quote]

This is a bizarre response.  I’m not trying to control anyone, but I refuse to pretend that obesity is some uncontrollable disease just to protect others’ egos.  I’m gaining weight as I age but I know it’s because I’m eating more and moving less than I used to.  I don’t feel like a bad person or a moral failure, but I also know d@mn well that my weight gain is 100% my own “fault” and I could lose it if I really wanted to.  [/quote]

Good for you. Now imagine a world here other people’s health, genetics, metabolism and environment aren’t just like yours. [/quote]

With vanishingly few exceptions, human bodies function in fundamentally the same way all over the world.  You are not a medical marvel.  You are not special.[/quote]

No, I’m not. I fall in the 90% + of people who lose weight, then gain it all back, plus some every single time. Who has spent decades trying and failing at calories in/ calories out. Because yes, my genetic suck in this area and on antidepressants. And the last time I tried to will power myself off of them, I needed inpatient psych care. So, the antidepressants stay, despite your belief I can will over myself of of them too. [/quote]

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