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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why doesn't isolationism work?  We are a huge country with ample natural resources.

The rest of the world that cares whose ancestors owned a parcel of land thousands of years ago are the ones who can eff off.[/quote]
Why? Because this isn't 1950.  We don't have "ample" natural resources".  The birthrate in this country is only as "high" as it is because of immigrants.

Isolationist strategies do not work in a modern world. [/quote]

Why not?  We can't grow our own food, invent our own tech, produce our own goods and pay our people fair wages to do so?  Too many rich globalists will be harmed?[/quote]
 Go to the grocery store right now. Look at where most of the produce comes from, especially the fruit.  A lot of it comes from MX or South America.

Certain minerals that are needed for manufacturing aren't readily available in the US.

I would love to pay people fair wages. Do you honestly think Rs are for decent wages? Or is that perhaps what Dems support?

Also, don't forget that Trump owns a lot of business overseas, and he hires foreign workers. Not to mention how much the Kushners have made from helping the Chinese to buy their way into our country.  Trump married two foreign women, one of which used chain migration to bring her entire family, a family that were party of the communist party in a Soviet backed country.   The Trumps are the epitome of globalists.[/quote]

I'm not voting for Trump.

Maybe we eat less fruit. Maybe we trade for minerals we need.  I'm sure we have things those countries want.  You think Mexico or India won't trade with us if we pull back on NATO?

Why does any of that necessitate us providing military support for a huge portion of the world.[/quote]
You're back tracking.  You talked about Isolationism, not pulling out of NATO.

Isolationism means complete closed borders to people, and even if we want to trade with India or MX, they won't want to if we have an isolationist strategy.

Business 101:  a company cannot remain stagnant, and without a growing market.  What you are describing is like communism where every person has a job, and all goods are produced for the people to consume.   Sounds great in theory; reality is never that simple.

Capitalism likes globalism.

Maybe we eat less fruit? Are you kidding? Most Americans already don't eat enough fruit, and you want it to get even more scarce?  Are you wanting people to die early of heart disease?

Also, we shouldn't pull out of NATO because history has taught us that global instability does impact us.   We cannot go back to isolationism. That ship has sailed.[/quote]

We can be less globalized. It's not a binary choice.  Capitalism without constraints has been great for the people at the top.  It's hollowed out America's working and middle class.

We can vigorously protect our own borders without expanding the territory we are responsible for defending by protecting half of Europe.

We have a ton of farmland we've destroyed by growing monoculture crops no one uses while we import cheap produce from elsewhere.

Open your mind that the current system is not sustainable and overextended empires inevitably collapse.

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How does protecting your borders have anything to do with globalisation?  So you're saying you want to heavily subsidize production of local agriculture and impose tariffs on imported produce?  Fine, but again what that have to do with security alliances and NATO? [/quote]
Right wing friendly posts, like the one to which you are replying, have gotten really weird. They’re all over the board and don’t say what they mean, they say things that could be understood a number of different ways, but they don’t actually say what they mean.

Trump has to do whatever Russia wants. And Russia wants more territory, hence the GOP will stand down when push comes to shove (even on the new aid bill). Thank god Biden is clever enough to get at least some aid to our allies. That Greece gambit remains my new favorite thing. [/quote]

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