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OP here. 
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is[/quote]

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile[/quote]
OP here. 
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.[/quote]

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)[/quote]
I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” [b]I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump[/b].

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t. [/quote]

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.[/quote]
OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with  “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out,  to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.[/quote]

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job. [/quote]
I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one. [/quote]

From one of your earlier posts:

[quote]OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is[/quote]

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread. [/quote]
OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1. [/quote]

Yes, you were wrong on point one.

Now take that self awareness and apply it to the fact that your argument is not persuasive to people who this administration hasn’t delivered for.

You can scream at us to put on our big girl panties and be grateful for the scraps of Biden’s table

You can work to start delivering for the groups who aren’t feeling like they have a seat at that table. I promise you will get more voters on your side if you, for example, get Biden to bring workplace policies to the federal government that benefit Black women— then talk about it in areas like VA where the federal government is a huge employer.

You will get more voters on your side if you get Biden to do better on Gaza— then go talk about it in Michigan.

But sure you can yell at DCUM.[/quote]
I am not affiliated with the campaign nor was the thread trying to convince people to vote for Biden. It was to highlight that the griping that ANY GENERIC DEM could beat Trump is garbage. It's a bad argument and doesn't hold any weight. Again, sorry that you are unhappy but claiming someone else could do a better job is laughable if it weren't so dangerous. Because all this trash talk about Biden will only help Trump. 
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Actually all this trash talk about Biden will only help America.

We don’t anoint a president we elect them. So unless we communicate the fact that there is vast dissatisfaction with Biden within the voter base he needs,
We are allowing him to coast to disaster.

His campaign should be scared and his administration should be busy. Instead of scolding about big girl panties every Biden booster should be asking what, in the next 9 months, can Joe Biden do to deliver For You. And then working on that. Working hard— because this is the last nine months he can change anyone’s
mind

And no one— really no one— has ever had their mind changed by someone presenting a fake rhetorical question and then scolding people whose answer she doesn’t like.[/quote]
At least we all see that there is no magical unicorn candidate that some try to claim is out there.[/quote]

NP. If there’s no magical unicorn candidate, then the attention needs to be greater and the debate needs to be more vigorous+rigorous. Pretty sure the lazy rhetoric of the Biden boosters is the opposite of that.[/quote]
I didn’t think you quite understand the threat of Trump. We can have a vigorous + rigorous debate when we aren’t staring down the barrel of authoritarianism. I’m guessing you’re of a certain race & class who will not be impacted by a Trump win. Many of us don’t have that luxury.[/quote]

If you’re imperiled by a Trump Presidency don’t you have even more incentive to keep the Biden coalition together? So why not work to deliver for that coalition rather than scold people. Do you really think that’s changing minds?[/quote]
What does Biden need yo deliver to win your vote? Be specific and realistic given that GOP run the House. [/quote]

Step away from the Middle East and stop taking part in the genocide of Palestinian people. Stop sending billions to Israel and invest that money in our education and healthcare. Foreign policy is strictly under the President’s control and like it or not Trump was very anti war. [/quote]
I hate that so many innocent live are being lost in Israel and have always been against us funding Israel while Bibi is there but if you think that if we stopped funding Israel, GOP would allow a penny of that money to go towards American people I have a bridge to sell you. Congress holds the purse strings.[/quote]

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