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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because society is struggling, children are struggling and our birth rate is falling.

That doesn't mean that their ideas will work, but I think that's why it's coming up.

Also, control of women is a priority for some pundit groups. [/quote]

Agreed. The research is quite clear that children  raised in two parent households fair much better, even when controlling for income. It really does a disservice to children and society to ignore reality.

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There are serious correlation/causation questions that need to be answered before this tells us very much that we can use. [/quote]

NP - No, there aren’t. No one reasonable disagrees that children fare better when there are more resources (attention (since neither mommy or daddy is dating other unrelated parties), money (since only paying for 1 household) etc.) going towards their care. [/quote]

Economist here and I have to agree that that link between correlation and causation is very clear here.[/quote]

Psychiatrist here, and I agree.  
It’s kind of baffling to me that someone can acknowledge that the way children grow up has a profound effect on their adult lives and then, at the same time, say that adults have total and complete agency over their lives.

Those things can not possibly both be true.  It’s illogical.  
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You can't seriously be suggesting that a child in a dysfunctional two parent household is better off than a child raised by a functional single parent. [/quote]

No one said that.

If a child is in a 2 parent household that is chaotic and full of argument and so forth then it’s okay if the parents divorce because the child will be spared the dysfunction. Okay, no argument there.

On the whole however, studies and stats confirm, OUTCOMES ARE BETTER FOR KIDS (crime, school etc) TO BE RAISED IN A LOVING TWO PARENT HOUSEHOLD THAN IN A SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLD. Less incarceration, better everything.[/quote]

You cant regulate LOVING and STABLE. And that itsnt directly caused by marriage. [/quote]

Okay. Let me simplify and strip out hyperbole.

Let’s start at a baseline where there is a stable single parent in charge of their child.

And there is another stable couple who are raising a child.

The overwhelming statistics are that the child raised by the couple will have more favorable long term outcomes than the single parent.

The couple doesn’t have to be married, as long as they cohabitate and both contribute to raising the child  in a stable environment.

However, if they are married that would probably be beneficial to them from a tax perspective, but that’s another discussion.[/quote]

So what?  It’s not like most people are choosing to be single parents.  Most people would choose to be in happy, loving stable relationships.

That doesn’t work out for every person.  What’s the point of kicking someone when they’re down?

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Stay. On. Topic.

Stop adding emotion into a discussion led by logic and facts.

[b]Two parent households do better.[/b] That is the point of my post. No one is punching down at single moms or dads.

And the post was to rebuff a poster who said “western white” (nuclear two person) families could not be shown to produce better outcomes on the whole. That’s false by all credible evidence.
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Two parent households do better IF the two parents are both functional adults who get along. [/quote]

Yes. Again, generally on the whole they are shown to be better. That is the entire point. We all understand what you are saying that there are poor examples. But on the whole better. That’s all.[/quote]

Well, no. Not exactly. Where you have a situation without two functional adults who get along, often times the couple should not remain together. A lot of times, the pundits who wax poetic about how we need more kids raised by married couples overlook that wrinkle. [/quote]

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