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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is clearly a determined Christian missionary on this thread. [/quote]

There are actually determined antisemites on DCUM unfortunately. [/quote]

The thread was started by someone who is Jewish, complaining about Christians. [/quote]

No it wasn’t. The thread was started by someone spreading a falsehood about Jews (that they sue to stop “Messianic Jewish” congregations). [/quote]

Jewish people posting here (who don’t speak for all Jewish people) have illogical and inconsistent rules about who they think should be Jewish. The thread was started by a troll (notice op never showed up again) to denigrate Christianity. It  ended up discussing topics Jewish people don’t like to discuss or explain, so they start claiming antisemitism. Nobody on this thread has a right to speak for all Jewish people or claim it’s antisemitism when people discuss Judaism. [/quote]

Wow. so you’re really dug in on how Jews have no right to determine even the most basic rules about their religion? I’m not sure if you actually actively dislike Jewish individuals but you are definitely anti-semitic. [/quote]

It makes zero sense that a person is considered Jewish if they don’t believe in God, but are called names, disparaged, etc, because they think Jesus was the Son of God. It’s not hateful to ask why Jewish people can declare God does not exist and still be Jewish. It just doesn’t make any sense. It would seem a basic rule would be to acknowledge God exists.

Jews regard Judaism as their means of observing the Mosaic covenant, which was established between God and the Israelites, their ancestors. Judaism is the belief that God is one and is concerned with the actions of mankind. God commanded the nation of Israel to love and worship only one God. God also commanded the Jewish people to love one another; Jews are to imitate God's love for people.

So if a Jewish person is an atheist, how can they do any of these things? The person doesn’t believe the foundation of Judaism exists. [/quote]

Why do you think you, non-Jewish internet rando, can díctate whay makes zero sense in a religion with a long scholarly tradition of interpreting its own rules? You seem to be attempting to insult or invalidate Judaism as a whole based on some gotcha you think is so clever. Meanwhile as has been explained to you here, Jewish theologians have given careful thought to the question. More broadly, the crisis of faith happens in all religions - the dark night of the soul. Nobody gets upset for example that Mother Teresa had basically no faith for her entire life. [/quote]

This forum has a plethora of anonymous, non-*insert religious denomination* randos trying to interpret rules and play gotcha with every religion.

It doesn’t make sense that any religion that is based upon belief in a specific God would allow people who don’t believe in that God to be members of that religion. Nobody needs to disrespect or dislike someone that doesn’t have the same religious belief as they do, but including them in the religion when they deny the basis for your religion? Does your religion not have any actual meaning?

Like Satanists who claim to be Satanists, but don’t actually believe in Satan. They say Satan is a “metaphor.” There are Satanists who do believe in Satan, but the Satanic Temple says they don’t and that their religion is based on: “The Mission Of The Satanic Temple Is To Encourage Benevolence And Empathy, Reject Tyrannical Authority, Advocate Practical Common Sense, Oppose Injustice, And Undertake Noble Pursuits.” No belief in a God or gods, so why is that considered a religion?

Religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.

So an atheist who has no belief in God is by definition not religious. Yet they are accepted as a Jewish person in the Jewish religion.

The IRS gives religions/churches special rules, and it also seems like if a group is really not religious, they are using the IRS rules incorrectly to gain tax exemptions. It seems unethical and borderline illegal to claim to be a religion or religious and receive tax breaks meant for religious organizations while not actually having religious belief.

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wow that’s a new one - Jewish synagogues should be taxed due to their theology. [/quote]

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