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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Other than Legacy/Athlete/URM - any DMV admits at all? Looking at our school, this seems to take up 100 percent of the cases. [/quote]

Yes, there is little room for kids admitted solely on merit these days.[/quote]

NP. Junior mom. A little shocked to see the assertions on this thread. What an awful situation for our top universities to be driven by legacy considerations. Even the UK with its traditions of royalty does not permit this. [/quote]

Virtually all the legacies I know getting admitted are highly qualified. I'd be much more concerned about the famous/influential people's kids or the 1st gens/URMs.[/quote]

If highly qualified, they should compete EQUALLY against non legacies. Tons of people are qualified. To edge out others on the basis of legacy is the problem. [/quote]

Legacy is at best a tie breaker these days.  [/quote]

And rarely even that, unless a big donor well-connected family. I only know one super-high-achieving legacy kid admitted in my cohort. I know of at least 60 high-achieving kids who were either rejected, or deferred then rejected.[/quote]

On average legacy admits have higher GPAs than non-legacy admits. It gets you a closer read but it’s not going to get you in if you don’t compare favorably against your peers. [/quote]

I have seen this "On average" statistic cited multiple times. It is flawed reasoning for multiple reasons.  It is comparing legacies with the the whole pool of admits including athletes and all the other non-legacy special categories. Further, the comparison should be with non-legacies who were applied but NOT admitted. Hard to do at scale obviously. But easy to see within a given school when you have access to data for the past few years (SCOIR/Naviance whatever). The conclusion is very straightforward to reach: Non-legacies are being systematically rejected over lower stat legacies. [/quote]

Fair points, but I would push back on the athletes thing. Legacies can also be recruited athletes or at the D3 level they may not be recruited (given a tip) but the coach may put a note in their admissions file that if they are admitted they will contribute to the team as a walk on. And many athletes are very good - top - students. [/quote]

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