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I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

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Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it. [/quote]

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.[/quote]

Well la di da for you.  Colleges removed those barriers because they realized it was NOT the best indicator of success at their university.  Colleges are happy with how they select students.  Nobody is attempting to create a class with all 1600/4.0UW/10AP+ students---they could yet somehow nobody wants that.  Perhaps because they know something...[/quote]

There are less than 1,000 1600/4.0UW/10AP+ students in any graduating class.

If you throw in ACT scores of 36, it's still less than 2,500.

2,500 prospects for 65,000 T20 seats in their collective freshman class.

That's one of the major problems here. Too many of you believe the fabricated nonsense that the 1600/36 + 4.00 unweighted + 10 AP+ unicorn is a dime a dozen; when in fact, they are less than enough to fit even 5% of the incoming classes for T20 programs. And if you limited it to single attempts for the ACT/SAT, it's more like less than 2% of the incoming classes.[/quote]

So what? The point is that college admissions isn’t a foot race where the first three who cross the finish line win. You keep trying to make it that and it’s just not.

The pool of students who can academically succeed at a T20 college is deep. Isn’t that the point you’re all making about how great students exist anywhere? [/quote]

"they could"

The reply was in response to that false statement. They cannot all come close to filling even 5% of their class with unicorns. So if you continue to downplay the incredibly low probability of finding a unicorn for the purpose of degrading what makes a unicorn a unicorn, don't be surprised when someone blocks that noise into the third row.[/quote]

I don’t see a false statement that says all of the T20 schools “could” do that. Maybe I missed it.

I think the statement was that no college wants that. And if a college like Harvard wanted to, they certainly could try since they only accept 2000 or so students.

I’m not sure you’ve blocked anything here. But thanks for playing I guess. [/quote]

Nobody is attempting to create a class with all 1600/4.0UW/10AP+ students---they could yet somehow nobody wants that.

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Right so a single college could try. Could it not? Plenty of T20 schools have classes with fewer than 2000 students. [/quote]

Of the less than 2,500 that exist to meet the condition, YOU think enough would descend on one particular school (say, Dartmouth) to potentially consume their entire incoming class.

If we're at the point of this level of hypothetical, the argument you're trying to defend already has a toe tag on it.[/quote]

Isn’t “could” a signal of a hypothetical? I’m not sure what your issue is here. [/quote]

The issue, as plainly as possible, is this:

Those in support of the TO era often argue that there are more applicants with perfect grades, perfect test scores, 10+ APs with 5s on every one of the exams, etc. than there are seats in the aggregate incoming class for the T20 schools. They PERSISTENTLY make this argument.

It's not true. It's laughably untrue. It's repeated over and over again by individuals seeking to downplay discussion of a path where standardized testing might be widely restored in the evaluation process. And that's almost certainly because that would conflict with their interests.[/quote]

Somebody might be making that argument somewhere but it wasn’t being made here.  They were simply saying a college, any college, could decide it only wanted to admit that profile but no one has now or in the past which suggests that a seemingly perfect academic profile isn’t the be all end all.

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Agreed that it's not the be all, end all. The argument, however, is hoisted EVERY time anyone raises the argument that test scores should be restored in the process.[/quote]

DP: people are arguing that there are a lot of highly capable students. No one argues that these kids have perfect scores. I’ve seen posts that use 1500+ SATs, AP scores of 4 or 5 and high GPAs.

If so, please post some examples. [/quote]

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